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View CockneyRebel's Profile CockneyRebel Flag West Harrison,NY. 20 Sep 23 12.15am Send a Private Message to CockneyRebel Add CockneyRebel as a friend

OK..We all know that the game now has time limits on everything, from throw in's, goal kicks etc..

Now after the farce on our last game, I think the same thing should, and must apply to VAR checks...1 minute should be the limit, if they can't decide in that time, after they have all the angle's to look at, then if they are still confused, then the decision should be null and void..enough, this is backfiring on the game, and is just getting ridiculous..that ref on Saturday was totally confused which in itself was enough reason to reject the claim for a penalty.

Palace forever..

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Sep 23 8.06am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I have some sympathy for this approach but there is a problem with it. You are assuming that the VAR team instant replay is correct.

I have seen VAR decisions discussed afterwards where the team appear to be arguing with the TV staff "not that angle I want the the other one."

Once the relevant VT is played I agree it should be clear and obvious and if not tell the ref to go with the on field decision.

Not sure how you could monitor this.

 


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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 20 Sep 23 8.33am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Im 100% against the use of var in football , it takes away too much of the enjoyment to warrent correcting a few wrong decisions .

If we are going to use it I would go all in and give the VAR ref the final say . Almost every var referal is upheld anyway so lets just cut out the farce of the ref making shapes with his hands and going over to the monitor for 5 minutes

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 20 Sep 23 11.18am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Agree.
I Think there is a need for VAR in football, but in it's current implementation it is not fit for purpose.
Let it go away and get it right. I'm of the opinion that the technology is not quite there yet (not far off, mind)

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 20 Sep 23 11.52am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

For me, VAR is used in the wrong spirit.

On one hand, it had become farcical that TV viewers all over the world could see, within a few seconds of the goal being scored, that players like Diego Maradona (v England) or Thierry Henry (v Ireland) had cheated through handball, but that those huge, career-defining games just carried on as if the information didn't exist. The cheated teams got knocked out when everyone watching knew what had happened at the time, whilst the game was still live. VAR should prevent that.

On the other hand, I couldn't care less whether someone is a fraction of an inch offside. I don't think most supporters ever cared about that level of detail, until the stupid sports media introduced 10 different slow-motion angles of every incident, and set to work picking apart refs just so mock-outrage could be stoked amongst the phone-in brigade.

For over 150 years, football has swept across the world like wildfire, becoming the most popular global sport ever. Whatever it was within the DNA of the game that made it so potent, standing around waiting for a forensic analysis of whether every goal is technically valid wasn't part of the spirit that served the game so well.

I would tell VAR that they have seven seconds once the goal has gone in to spot anything obviously wrong with it. They can only watch replays in real-time, cannot pause the image, and certainly cannot draw lines on the screen. If you cannot spot the offence quickly with the naked eye, then it's not bad enough to bother about. After that, all that would be left is to tell the media companies not to undermine the spirit of the game with all their unnecessary analysis of decisions, when there is plenty of actual football for them to talk about, and perhaps we could get back to football being a fast, competitive game in which human error is part of the recipe.


I would have VAR but only for gross acts of cheating and/or truely terrible errors.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Sep 23 11.56am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

For me, VAR is used in the wrong spirit.

On one hand, it had become farcical that TV viewers all over the world could see, within a few seconds of the goal being scored, that players like Diego Maradona (v England) or Thierry Henry (v Ireland) had cheated through handball, but that those huge, career-defining games just carried on as if the information didn't exist. The cheated teams got knocked out when everyone watching knew what had happened at the time, whilst the game was still live. VAR should prevent that.

On the other hand, I couldn't care less whether someone is a fraction of an inch offside. I don't think most supporters ever cared about that level of detail, until the stupid sports media introduced 10 different slow-motion angles of every incident, and set to work picking apart refs just so mock-outrage could be stoked amongst the phone-in brigade.

For over 150 years, football has swept across the world like wildfire, becoming the most popular global sport ever. Whatever it was within the DNA of the game that made it so potent, standing around waiting for a forensic analysis of whether every goal is technically valid wasn't part of the spirit that served the game so well.

I would tell VAR that they have seven seconds once the goal has gone in to spot anything obviously wrong with it. They can only watch replays in real-time, cannot pause the image, and certainly cannot draw lines on the screen. If you cannot spot the offence quickly with the naked eye, then it's not bad enough to bother about. After that, all that would be left is to tell the media companies not to undermine the spirit of the game with all their unnecessary analysis of decisions, when there is plenty of actual football for them to talk about, and perhaps we could get back to football being a fast, competitive game in which human error is part of the recipe.


I would have VAR but only for gross acts of cheating and/or truely terrible errors.

Well said.

 


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View leejaneagles's Profile leejaneagles Flag 20 Sep 23 12.17pm Send a Private Message to leejaneagles Add leejaneagles as a friend

I agree with the sentiment of nearly every post in this topic, however, it wouldn't have helped Palace out on this occasion.

If you want 7 seconds, non-slow mo, make sure its clear and obvious, then for Saturday's situation, the penalty stands because that's what the Ref wanted. It would only work in our favour if the Ref said no pen and then VAR decided actually it was.

I get though that the debate is about wider football and not just lil old Palace. That side of the conversation I agree with but the side just specifically about our incident, shocking the Ref can't see it's at least doubtful if he watches it for 5 minutes and that's where a pen especially should be revoked.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 20 Sep 23 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

My proposition is as follows:

1. Each team gets a limited number of ‘challenges’, perhaps even one.
2. Only a captain can make a ‘challenge’. His teammates or coach can communicate this to him but only the captain can speak to the referee to initiate a ‘challenge’.
3. The captain MUST declare what the challenge is for (offside, handball, foul etc.) and only the declared grievance will be checked.
4. Challenge correctly and you retain it, incorrectly and you lose it.
5. Challenges can only be made in the immediate next instance the ball has gone dead.

This takes some of the heat off the incompetent officials by placing the onus on teams, limits the disruption of VAR and helps keep a balance and order to proceedings so as not to fuel any potential rioting. Teams will have to challenge with confidence and this will reduce any inclination to abuse the system.

Edited by Nicholas91 (20 Sep 2023 1.52pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View madcap_v2's Profile madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 20 Sep 23 2.26pm Send a Private Message to madcap_v2 Add madcap_v2 as a friend

VAR should flag if something has gone wrong in the game, not be used to check every single decision. Unless VAR has flagged something, play should resume as normal

 


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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 20 Sep 23 5.21pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

If I am reading what the OP is suggesting correctly, that VAR has a minute to adjudicate and if it can't the decision is over turned, then I totally disagree.

To do this and go against a referees on pitch decision based on a short time window means we may as well not have an n field ref.

But the decision at Villa did highlight how fact this system is. It took too long. I don't agree it was a en either but can see why it was given.

I am quite taken with the review system as favoured by cricket. You get say 3 reviews a game and one additional one in extra time and captain is one who uses them. Equally refs can request video of they need it to reach a decision.

VAR combined with now ridiculous rules on time keeping are ruining football. (If a player wastes time either by delaying a kick/throw or rolling around clutching their head after a tackle on their shins ( use video for that?) they get booked. Soon stops it.

We used as fans to have one ref and two lino to girl abuse at. The current system at least gives us a few more folks to blame!

 

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 20 Sep 23 8.13pm Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

Var should be 30 seconds if you cant see a obvious error in that time ref decision stands right or wrong , unless it involves a red card lets get back to football not maybes

 

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