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Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Dec 2015 5.33pm

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Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm

23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)


Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.


Now is rather what matters.


Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

But as we're on it - ours is better than theirs..

Technically ours is a derision from theirs, as both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths. A lot of Christian Mythology actually stems from Islam (the idea of Devils, Lucifer, the War in Heaven etc aren't Christian or Jewish concepts, they're Islamic).



When trying to use big words Jamie - please try and use them in the correct context..

Anyhow, Christian Mythology and belief is largely from Islamic, Zoroastrian and Jewish sources. A lot of what forms the mythology of Christianity was appropriated from non-biblical middle eastern sources.


In fact, the original sources of all these sorts of religious myths are probably pre writing and are derived from older oral history.

Personally I think it's all about aliens.

May the force be with you.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 08 Dec 15 6.18pm

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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 5.36pm

Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate.


Being patronising on the internet over someone else's grammar or language rarely makes one look anything other than a bit of a knob.

Well seeing as you are trying to patronise me Seth I guess you do look like a knob. Your words – not mine.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Dec 15 6.19pm

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Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm

23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)


Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.


Now is rather what matters.


Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

When it comes to religion there is no better, there is only bonkers. The difference is that most other mainstream religions are currently not predisposed to killing people to defend their dogma.
This is not about relative merits, this is about current reality.

There aren't many mainstream Islamic faiths that are heavily into killing to protect dogma either though. There are a few maybe and most of them have a direct link to Saudi and Iran.

Most of the Radicalised Islamist groups grew out of the national liberation movements and as opposition to oppressive regimes. Faced with violence from state oppression they've responded in kind, which tends to be the norm (resistance to oppressive regimes tends towards armed violence).

There is a difference often between the Religious aspects of say Hamas and its political violence (in fact they're two almost completely different bodies and organisations). The problem generally has been that political movements in many Islamic countries tend to require an military presence to ensure their survival, which in the long run doesn't bode well for the type of people who come to power through such means.

Ironically, Islamic Jyhad was once a pacifist movement. The result was that Egyptian Authorities conducted mass arrests, torture and executed most of its leadership, unsurprisingly those who remained turned to less 'pleasant' means of protest.


 


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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 6.18pm

Quote Seth at 08 Dec 2015 5.57pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 5.36pm

Hey listen Jamie - if you ever want to use another big word which you are unsure of, feel free to ping me a quick PM and I will give it the once over for you mate.


Being patronising on the internet over someone else's grammar or language rarely makes one look anything other than a bit of a knob.

Well seeing as you are trying to patronise me Seth I guess you do look like a knob. Your words – not mine.

Did you actually read what I wrote?

 


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Auto-correct is responsible for a lot of unforced written errors these days. That's why it's best never doing the old grammer Police 'What have we got here, then?'

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 6.34pm

Auto-correct is responsible for a lot of unforced written errors these days. That's why it's best never doing the old grammer Police 'What have we got here, then?'


Indeed, especially when you've just posted this on another thread:

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 08 Dec 2015 10.15am

I would like it to go on record that most of what I say is pure sh@t anyway



 


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Quote NickRobinson at 08 Dec 2015 2.12pm

23 Islamic countries have apostasy as a crime; in some of these countries it carries the death penalty.

There are no Christian countries where apostasy is a crime.

Edited by NickRobinson (08 Dec 2015 2.12pm)


Now. But there have been. Plenty. Historically, neither side has the moral high ground.


Now is rather what matters.


Of course, but i am not into this one religion is better than the other nonsense. Won't help the people who have been burned, beheaded and tortured either recently or from hundreds of years ago for being non-Christian or non-Muslim.

The extreme Sunnis are much more of a danger today, obviously. But who is to say in 100 years they will have calmed down and some nutty Evangelicals have taken their place on the terror spectrum?

When it comes to religion there is no better, there is only bonkers. The difference is that most other mainstream religions are currently not predisposed to killing people to defend their dogma.
This is not about relative merits, this is about current reality.

There aren't many mainstream Islamic faiths that are heavily into killing to protect dogma either though. There are a few maybe and most of them have a direct link to Saudi and Iran.

Most of the Radicalised Islamist groups grew out of the national liberation movements and as opposition to oppressive regimes. Faced with violence from state oppression they've responded in kind, which tends to be the norm (resistance to oppressive regimes tends towards armed violence).

There is a difference often between the Religious aspects of say Hamas and its political violence (in fact they're two almost completely different bodies and organisations). The problem generally has been that political movements in many Islamic countries tend to require an military presence to ensure their survival, which in the long run doesn't bode well for the type of people who come to power through such means.

Ironically, Islamic Jyhad was once a pacifist movement. The result was that Egyptian Authorities conducted mass arrests, torture and executed most of its leadership, unsurprisingly those who remained turned to less 'pleasant' means of protest.


Fair enough but if one were able to see the motives behind religious persecution and violence of the past it was likely that they were often for reasons other than pure belief as well. In the end it makes no difference to the person being slain if the perpetrator is doing it for reasons of faith or otherwise, the result is the same.

You wouldn't say that the Spanish Inquisition was not perpetrated by devout Catholics would you, even if many prosecutions were for more political reasons. No one would expect that.

To be fair those Spaniards were very nice chaps compared to ISIL.

Try telling Charlie Hebdo or Salman Rusdie that those Jihadists aren't religious loons but just a bit upset and see what they think about that.

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 08 Dec 2015 6.34pm

Auto-correct is responsible for a lot of unforced written errors these days. That's why it's best never doing the old grammer Police 'What have we got here, then?'


Grammar!

 

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 10.21pm

Try telling Charlie Hebdo or Salman Rusdie that those Jihadists aren't religious loons but just a bit upset and see what they think about that.


You do realise Charlie Hebdo is the name of a magazine and not an actual person don't you?

 


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Quote Seth at 09 Dec 2015 12.38am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 10.21pm

Try telling Charlie Hebdo or Salman Rusdie that those Jihadists aren't religious loons but just a bit upset and see what they think about that.


You do realise Charlie Hebdo is the name of a magazine and not an actual person don't you?


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Quote Jimenez at 09 Dec 2015 2.43am

Quote Seth at 09 Dec 2015 12.38am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 10.21pm

Try telling Charlie Hebdo or Salman Rusdie that those Jihadists aren't religious loons but just a bit upset and see what they think about that.


You do realise Charlie Hebdo is the name of a magazine and not an actual person don't you?


Seth 20 bucks each or 6 for 90 (and I'll throw in the shipping)

Thanks for the offer Jimmy but my xmas shopping is all done

 


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Quote Seth at 09 Dec 2015 12.38am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Dec 2015 10.21pm

Try telling Charlie Hebdo or Salman Rusdie that those Jihadists aren't religious loons but just a bit upset and see what they think about that.


You do realise Charlie Hebdo is the name of a magazine and not an actual person don't you?


When I wrote it I just knew that someone would be daft enough to say that.
Did you really ant all their names FFS ?

 

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