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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 23 7.22pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

VAR is entitled to intervene as it was the attacking phase leading up to the penalty decision.

Only when it is a clear and obvious error. Ref waved play on then took a ridiculous amount of time on var, presumably trying to find a reason to reverse his decision

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 23 7.26pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Norbury Old Git

Referees are under greater pressure than ever to make decisions in favour of the big television money earners of the League. This is not to say that all referees are corrupt but a select few can be relied upon to ensure the “right” result. It is my opinion that former head of PGMOL, Mike Riley, promoted mainly those referees based within 75 miles of his Sheffield home to keep a close eye on their compliance with his directives. Two that have been revealed by whistleblowers and aired on radio are that referees must follow the directions of VAR and that where possible not to send off the high profile players because those are the ones television viewers want to see. Jordan Ayew is definitely not one of these.

Whether yesterday’s referee fell into this category one can only speculate. There is also, however, the issue of incompetence. If you pick 18 out of 22 referees from such a small area you are inevitably going to pick up quite a bit of dross. We now have only two referees based south of Birmingham, that is more than half the population of England, professional football clubs ( the National League North is supplemented by southern teams to make up numbers) and 10 of 20 Premier League sides. There are no referees from the London area with Tim Robinson of West Sussex being the nearest representative.

If Durham and Fylde can have 6 of the 20 Select Group 2 referees the chances of us getting a fair, nationally balanced and neutral referees panel is a long way off.

Maddley is from Huddersfield, so falls into tgat category

 

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 10 Dec 23 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Only when it is a clear and obvious error. Ref waved play on then took a ridiculous amount of time on var, presumably trying to find a reason to reverse his decision

Seemingly it was replayed 41 times by Var and the ref before they made the decision that it was a foul , hardly clear and obvious .

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 23 11.11pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Seemingly it was replayed 41 times by Var and the ref before they made the decision that it was a foul , hardly clear and obvious .

"Clear and Obvious" is of course open to subjectivity.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Dec 23 6.20am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

"Clear and Obvious" is of course open to subjectivity.

Really!

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 11 Dec 23 6.57am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

Much improved performance. Concur the Ayew sending off and the Lerma injury at the same time as Liverpool were able to bring 5 quality fresh legged players was where the game was lost. Let's hope the injuries don't turn out to be too serious.

 

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 11 Dec 23 8.00am Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

"Clear and Obvious" is of course open to subjectivity.

Give it up already Willo , it is a battle you wont be victorious with .

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Dec 23 8.05am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Give it up already Willo , it is a battle you wont be victorious with .

I just watched the Hughes foul again. The referee is right there and did nothing at the time, why did he then change his mind?

It was a foul but the referee hardly thought it was clear and obvious otherwise he would have blown up.

 


One more point

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 23 8.26am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I just watched the Hughes foul again. The referee is right there and did nothing at the time, why did he then change his mind?

It was a foul but the referee hardly thought it was clear and obvious otherwise he would have blown up.

He decided to side with the VAR having viewed the footage from a different angle.Referees have to make split-second decisions and can only formulate an opinion based on what they view from their angle.

In terms of "Clear and obvious" this only applies to the VAR who decides whether the referee has made a "Clear and obvious" error, the 'Bar' is set high and subjectivity enters the equation.


Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2023 8.29am)

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Dec 23 8.47am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

He decided to side with the VAR having viewed the footage from a different angle.Referees have to make split-second decisions and can only formulate an opinion based on what they view from their angle.

In terms of "Clear and obvious" this only applies to the VAR who decides whether the referee has made a "Clear and obvious" error, the 'Bar' is set high and subjectivity enters the equation.


Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2023 8.29am)

Conveniently for those with interest and power in the equation.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 23 9.03am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Give it up already Willo , it is a battle you wont be victorious with .

I don't view it as any sort of 'Battle', just an exchange of opinions without any animus.
The smorgasbord of opinions is most welcome.


Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2023 9.10am)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 11 Dec 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace


It was a really weak bit of play by the Liverpool lad who just panicked when he realised he’d f***ed up, threw himself to the ground and tried to grab the ball. I really don’t see how anyone who’s played the game at any decent level can think Hughes fouled him? There’s no reason for VAR to get involved, the referee was right on top of it and waved play on. There’s no contact on the feet or hands in the back.

I have a slightly different view on it. I thought it was a foul by Hughes, soft but a foul none the less. Having said that, once the referee has waved play on and therefore clearly made a decision that it wasn’t a foul, VAR should not have interfered as they are challenging a referee on a debatable decision and not a clear and obvious error.

For that reason alone, the penalty should have stood and they should have spent more time looking at whether VVD’s challenge should be upgraded from yellow to red.

 

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