I don’t disagree with any of that. However that doesn’t mean that Church leaders cannot reevaluate old doctrine in the light of new knowledge and issue revised guidance.

We all learn everyday. Even Churches.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

on the one hand, yes i agree with you.

But on the other hand, doesnt it all go to prove Organised Religion to be a load of hogwash ? reminds me of how Christians vehemently opposed Darwin. And when they saw they couldnt win that argument, they changed tack and said that yes Darwin is compatible with Adam & Eve hogwash.

they are literally 'making it up as they go along'

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

That’s exactly my point PV.

I was raised catholic given my Irish heritage on both sides however I would not consider myself ‘religious’ to any extreme degree. I do retain some belief however, not for any other reason than I find it helps, and would therefore feel just as comfortable in my connection with this belief were I in a Church, Synagogue, Mosque or bench in Mayow Park.

All religions claim some sort of connection to divinity however therefore is it not blasphemous for man to say ‘Ah, well x has changed within the realm of man therefore we changed our commitment to higher deities, whose word we claim to follow’. Seems entirely contradictory to both believe in a deity and claim this connection but decide you know better than it, and that’s what grates on me.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

i predict another 50 to a hundred years of woke.

Soviet communism lasted 70 years. Catholic Ireland lasted 1,500 years. Indeed, Christian England only died recently.

Woke is on the Rise in the West. And probably its main adversary will be Islam. You choose which you prefer ?

i doubt that our Civilisation can survive Woke. Sweden & South Africa didnt do very well.
Christianity may have finished Western Rome. And Islam certainly killed Byzantium.

ideologies can kill civilisations.....easily. The contempt that Woke has for the straight-hardworking man ? that will be a big challenge for Woke....how to keep them onboard.

The infinite 'victimhood' of Woke is its greatest weakness. Including its barmy attempts to engineer a fair society....where everybody has the same sized C0ck. utter madness.

How do you keep the lights on when a hardworking electrician enjoys a lesser life than a career-cry-baby who has a permanent cap in hand ? A society of cry-babies is where Woke is taking us.

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

the same Bible that condemns you for wearing different fabrics at the same time ? ( Leviticus ).

the bible is mostly a rambling contradictory tome from the Bronze Age. And any fella can argue just about any ideology....and find support somewhere in there.

the problem i have with Woke is its total lack of accountability, lack of scientific evidence, and lack of cohesive 'Clergy' for want of a better word.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

If religion has any value it is for moral guidance and a sense of belonging.
The spiritual aspects are claptrap and some of the teachings are not suitable for the modern civilised world.

We need to move away from the nonsense talk of the after life and miracles and focus more on treating each other a little better.