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Hoof Hearted 16 Apr 17 11.15am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Try getting yourself into loads of debt £17 k over 3 years so you can train to teach. Yer not the only one to have to fork out.
Also teachers pay increases are now linked to pupil performance, so if little johnny doesn't pass his exams, no pay rise.

As I've said once to you already in this thread, it's not s*** job top trumps. Stick to the topic man who wasn't going to post over Easter.

This is why I often ignore you.

I gave an intention that I was signing off and wished you a Happy Easter.

You interpret that as my immediate withdrawal for the whole of Easter!

No wonder you continually get hold of the wrong end of the stick on everything discussed on here!

Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Apr 2017 11.32am)

 

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Hoof Hearted 16 Apr 17 11.18am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not funny to you because it would involve laughing at your backwards ideas

Edited by nickgusset (15 Apr 2017 10.04pm)

The winking icon fools no one Gusset.

Davenotamonkey reinforced my assertions with irrefutable evidence on the effect of immigrants on air travel actually.... so who's laughing now?

 

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View SurreyEagle16's Profile SurreyEagle16 Flag Next Door 16 Apr 17 11.34am Send a Private Message to SurreyEagle16 Add SurreyEagle16 as a friend

Not sure what you actually do for a living...but it sounds like you got a job you don't like so you attack another profession that appears better in specific areas.
As is said...I don't know what you do for a living but I get frustrated by civil servant bashers who moan about the trappings of their jobs just because their own career choices don't carry the same benefits.

As others have pointed out...you have a lot of misconceptions about teachers. I don't think it is the worst job in the world...and a lot in the profession can be very short sighted to the problems in other industries...but you don't seem to have a firm grasp of what the job is actually like.

Investing your own money - just the £x thousand that is essential to train
Guarantee Pay - not any more - pay is performance related and competence measures for underperformance are (rightly) in place teachers.
Extra hours - your quip about marking shows you know just how much a unpaid overtime a teacher has to do
Holiday - dispute popular belief...only the standard six weeks are paid. The rest is unpaid (I don't doubt it is enjoyed - but some would like the opportunity to work and earn)

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted


How many teachers go to work with no pay and have to invest upwards of £10K of their own money to sort out registration, rent an office or have to pay business rates if they work from home then?

NONE... they get paid even if little johnny doesn't pass his exams.

Try being a self employed IFA Mr G.... a teacher's life is a doddle mate.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Apr 17 11.38am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

This is why I often ignore you.

I gave an intention that I was signing off and wished you a Happy Easter.

You interpret that as my immediate withdrawal for the whole of Easter!

No wonder you continually get hold of the wrong end of the stick on everything discussed on here!

Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Apr 2017 11.32am)

You seem to have ignored my rebuttal to your point.

 

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Hoof Hearted 16 Apr 17 11.45am

Originally posted by SurreyEagle16

Not sure what you actually do for a living...but it sounds like you got a job you don't like so you attack another profession that appears better in specific areas.
As is said...I don't know what you do for a living but I get frustrated by civil servant bashers who moan about the trappings of their jobs just because their own career choices don't carry the same benefits.

As others have pointed out...you have a lot of misconceptions about teachers. I don't think it is the worst job in the world...and a lot in the profession can be very short sighted to the problems in other industries...but you don't seem to have a firm grasp of what the job is actually like.

Investing your own money - just the £x thousand that is essential to train
Guarantee Pay - not any more - pay is performance related and competence measures for underperformance are (rightly) in place teachers.
Extra hours - your quip about marking shows you know just how much a unpaid overtime a teacher has to do
Holiday - dispute popular belief...only the standard six weeks are paid. The rest is unpaid (I don't doubt it is enjoyed - but some would like the opportunity to work and earn)

It didn't take much of a leap to guess that I was an IFA.... but now retired, after a successful career as it happens.

I embarked upon this comparison of jobs because I'm fed up with Teachers fcuking moaning about their lot and wanted to show them that life is not beer and skittles for everyone else and that they should rein in their complaining all the time..

Teachers are very well paid, with good pension benefits and over generous holiday entitlement compared to the majority of most working people...not to mention the comfort of a guaranteed income paid every month whatever and a warm comfortable environment to work in.

But no... they're always fcuking moaning.... "What do we want... blah blah blah.... when do we want it... NOW!

Give it a rest!

 

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Hoof Hearted 16 Apr 17 11.50am

Originally posted by nickgusset

You seem to have ignored my rebuttal to your point.

Sorry Gusset - you are back on the Ignore list...... Sine Die!

 

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View SurreyEagle16's Profile SurreyEagle16 Flag Next Door 16 Apr 17 11.51am Send a Private Message to SurreyEagle16 Add SurreyEagle16 as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It didn't take much of a leap to guess that I was an IFA.... but now retired, after a successful career as it happens.

I embarked upon this comparison of jobs because I'm fed up with Teachers fcuking moaning about their lot and wanted to show them that life is not beer and skittles for everyone else and that they should rein in their complaining all the time..

Teachers are very well paid, with good pension benefits and over generous holiday entitlement compared to the majority of most working people...not to mention the comfort of a guaranteed income paid every month whatever and a warm comfortable environment to work in.

But no... they're always fcuking moaning.... "What do we want... blah blah blah.... when do we want it... NOW!

Give it a rest!

I have to admit...people moaning about the jobs(teachers included) annoy me. If you don't like your job/envy another...go and do that for a living.

Hoof...as it is Easter...I would suggest upon your rebirth you go and train as a teacher...with all the holiday, warm classrooms and guaranteed money you'll love it!

 

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Hoof Hearted 16 Apr 17 12.11pm

Originally posted by SurreyEagle16

I have to admit...people moaning about the jobs(teachers included) annoy me. If you don't like your job/envy another...go and do that for a living.

Hoof...as it is Easter...I would suggest upon your rebirth you go and train as a teacher...with all the holiday, warm classrooms and guaranteed money you'll love it!

Surrey old chap... you sound like an okay kind of guy.

As it happens I had great respect for many of the teachers that taught me.... in particular Dr Whittle coached me through the minefield of calculus to pass my Pure Mathematics A level and Dr Grace got me through Applied Maths. I won a place at 2 Uni's but chose to go into financial services to train as an actuary, but found it very hard and boring!

Both those teachers were nice people as well as brilliant at their jobs.

Happy Easter to you!

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 17 Apr 17 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

This is a gold dust example of how DfE works from the ivory towers and can't see what is happening at grassroots level. It chooses to drive a coach and horse through State education to concentrate upon conversion to academies; free schools and grammars. Terrific interviewing from Charlie Stayt:

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 17 3.22pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Sorry Gusset - you are back on the Ignore list...... Sine Die!

Quelle surprise. You don't have the werewithal to come up with a counter that doesn't involve personal digs so off you scuttle.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Apr 17 3.25pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It didn't take much of a leap to guess that I was an IFA.... but now retired, after a successful career as it happens.

I embarked upon this comparison of jobs because I'm fed up with Teachers fcuking moaning about their lot and wanted to show them that life is not beer and skittles for everyone else and that they should rein in their complaining all the time..

Teachers are very well paid, with good pension benefits and over generous holiday entitlement compared to the majority of most working people...not to mention the comfort of a guaranteed income paid every month whatever and a warm comfortable environment to work in.

But no... they're always fcuking moaning.... "What do we want... blah blah blah.... when do we want it... NOW!

Give it a rest!


If you listened to any of the current arguments, it was about lack of funding to educate the children in their charge and the impact on education rather than terms and conditions. But that would be dealing with facts rather than the osmosis fed s***e people pick up.


Edited by nickgusset (17 Apr 2017 3.25pm)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset


If you listened to any of the current arguments, it was about lack of funding to educate the children in their charge and the impact on education rather than terms and conditions. But that would be dealing with facts rather than the osmosis fed s***e people pick up.


Edited by nickgusset (17 Apr 2017 3.25pm)

Don't worry Nick! Hoof would clearly benefit from being RE-educated given his frequent pointless barbs and inability to actually respond to the topic with the required gravitas. Apparently, he tried to order gravitas from his local fishmonger not so long ago...

 

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