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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 14 May 14 11.24pm |
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Quote SloveniaDave at 14 May 2014 11.01pm
UKIP are polling between 11 and 15% in national surveys. The fact that they may well 'win' the Euro elections, in terms of being the largest single party, suggests that they will get around 30% of the vote in that election. Part of that is because of general voter apathy from supporters of the traditional parties and the rest is a protest vote against the EU. They remain a single issue party, or possibly a 2 issue party (Europe and immigration) but they will never become a significant player at the national level. The most they can aspire to is as a spoiling party, but even then it is unclear whether they will spoil labour or conservative chances at the next election.
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 The White Horse 14 May 14 11.30pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2014 11.24pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 14 May 2014 11.01pm
UKIP are polling between 11 and 15% in national surveys. The fact that they may well 'win' the Euro elections, in terms of being the largest single party, suggests that they will get around 30% of the vote in that election. Part of that is because of general voter apathy from supporters of the traditional parties and the rest is a protest vote against the EU. They remain a single issue party, or possibly a 2 issue party (Europe and immigration) but they will never become a significant player at the national level. The most they can aspire to is as a spoiling party, but even then it is unclear whether they will spoil labour or conservative chances at the next election. Are you in charge of the polling this year Dave? The way this country's going nick with open door immigration, the poles will be taking charge of Dave soon.
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SloveniaDave  Tirana, Albania 14 May 14 11.32pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2014 11.24pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 14 May 2014 11.01pm
UKIP are polling between 11 and 15% in national surveys. The fact that they may well 'win' the Euro elections, in terms of being the largest single party, suggests that they will get around 30% of the vote in that election. Part of that is because of general voter apathy from supporters of the traditional parties and the rest is a protest vote against the EU. They remain a single issue party, or possibly a 2 issue party (Europe and immigration) but they will never become a significant player at the national level. The most they can aspire to is as a spoiling party, but even then it is unclear whether they will spoil labour or conservative chances at the next election.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 14 May 14 11.42pm |
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I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm)
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| The White Horse 14 May 14 11.45pm |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm
I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Lets compromise on a third option. What do you think to nobody controlling our borders...
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 May 14 11.46pm |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm
I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Where have I said I agree with the EU? I'll give you a fiver if you can show me.
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| Proper_Gander Anerley 15 May 14 8.17am |
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How are we not in control of our borders? We aren't part of Schengen, that's why you have to show your passport when you get off the plane from Europe. As for how many immigrants we have... it's hardly affected by our EU membership, bearing in mind both Norway and Switzerland both have higher immigration rates despite not being in the EU: [Link] Edited by Proper_Gander (15 May 2014 8.17am)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 15 May 14 9.44am |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2014 11.46pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm
I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Where have I said I agree with the EU? I'll give you a fiver if you can show me. If you don't agree with the EU then UKIP is the party to vote for.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 15 May 14 9.47am |
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Quote Proper_Gander at 15 May 2014 8.17am
How are we not in control of our borders? We aren't part of Schengen, that's why you have to show your passport when you get off the plane from Europe. As for how many immigrants we have... it's hardly affected by our EU membership, bearing in mind both Norway and Switzerland both have higher immigration rates despite not being in the EU: [Link] Edited by Proper_Gander (15 May 2014 8.17am)
Many people think they should be the people too - it's kinda the main issue here.
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Kermit8  Hevon 15 May 14 9.47am |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 15 May 2014 9.44am
Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2014 11.46pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm
I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Where have I said I agree with the EU? I'll give you a fiver if you can show me. If you don't agree with the EU then UKIP is the party to vote for.
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| Proper_Gander Anerley 15 May 14 9.48am |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 15 May 2014 9.44am
Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2014 11.46pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm
I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Where have I said I agree with the EU? I'll give you a fiver if you can show me. If you don't agree with the EU then UKIP is the party to vote for. No it's not. I want our MEPs to do their job, which is represent our country's interests in Europe. Sadly all they do is complain about the EU but they don't participate in the European discourse. As a result we are rapidly losing influence within the EU.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 May 14 9.49am |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 15 May 2014 9.44am
Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2014 11.46pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm
I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Where have I said I agree with the EU? I'll give you a fiver if you can show me. If you don't agree with the EU then UKIP is the party to vote for.
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