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 topcat  Holmesdale / Surbiton 14 Jul 15 11.24am |
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Quote chris123 at 14 Jul 2015 11.17am
Quote topcat at 14 Jul 2015 10.27am
I'm glad that they are voting no and as British MPs they have every right to.
Lovely part of the country.
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| npn Crowborough 14 Jul 15 11.26am |
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This one's winding me up a bit. They are NOT voting on re-legalising fox hunting. The change is that, when a fox is to be shot humanely for pest control purposes (still completely legal), they may currently use a maximum of two dogs to flush the foxes into the open where they can be shot. The argument is that this is pretty inefficient, particularly in woodland, and they would like to increase the number of dogs allowed to be used to flush the foxes (I guess the more dogs means the foxes are less able to dodge them and hide). The change is simply to the number of dogs allowed to be used in the process - this is not about fox hunting as most people (myself included) understand the term - it's not toffs in red coats chasing them across fields shouting "view haloo" and blowing horns, it's a bloke with a rifle undertaking pest control to control populations. All seems intentionally emotive to me. It's no different from shooting rabbits - of course you can argue the rights and wrongs of pest control, but it's nothing to do with "proper fox hunting". There was even a bloke on Radio 4 the other day who was an ex-bigwig in the League Against Cruel Sports saying it was fine.
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johnno42000  14 Jul 15 11.41am |
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Ban fox hunting........then train the foxes to do the hunting and have rat hunting instead. Everybody's happy.
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| npn Crowborough 14 Jul 15 11.46am |
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Quote johnno42000 at 14 Jul 2015 11.41am
Ban fox hunting........then train the foxes to do the hunting and have rat hunting instead. Everybody's happy.
I just get nervous because I do love a bit of fishing (and even when fishing with the kids, one of whom is only 7 and has been vegetarian for over a year though nobody else in the house is, so has pretty strong views - "is this cruel, Dad?" is a tough question, which I normally avoid by passing the sweets and biscuits round).
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| johnno42000 14 Jul 15 11.53am |
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Quote npn at 14 Jul 2015 11.46am
Quote johnno42000 at 14 Jul 2015 11.41am
Ban fox hunting........then train the foxes to do the hunting and have rat hunting instead. Everybody's happy.
I just get nervous because I do love a bit of fishing (and even when fishing with the kids, one of whom is only 7 and has been vegetarian for over a year though nobody else in the house is, so has pretty strong views - "is this cruel, Dad?" is a tough question, which I normally avoid by passing the sweets and biscuits round). If the rabbits could be trained I'd have them after the rats as well. Edited by johnno42000 (14 Jul 2015 11.53am)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jul 15 11.58am |
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Someone told me a few years ago that the BBS legend "Trolley" who evidently was a member of a hunt got involved in a protracted and very heated debate on the BBS about fox-hunting. His pro-hunting views met a lot of opposition !
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| Harry Beever Newbury 14 Jul 15 12.11pm |
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Quote npn at 14 Jul 2015 11.46am
Quote johnno42000 at 14 Jul 2015 11.41am
Ban fox hunting........then train the foxes to do the hunting and have rat hunting instead. Everybody's happy.
I just get nervous because I do love a bit of fishing (and even when fishing with the kids, one of whom is only 7 and has been vegetarian for over a year though nobody else in the house is, so has pretty strong views - "is this cruel, Dad?" is a tough question, which I normally avoid by passing the sweets and biscuits round). I agree. There's an overwhelming emotive rhetoric that a dog killing a fox is horrendous and should be stopped but no one shoots their cat after its taken 20 minutes to kill a bird or mouse. Admittedly it's a bit weird getting dressed up and chasing the dogs around on horseback but in essence it's about a dog killing a wild animal. Whether people should have made a sport out of it is open to question but I don't think it's a huge leap to compare it to a fish on the end of a line and I'm surprised fishing doesn't get more grief. I guess they're less furry and cute looking and I guess most of them are eaten, but in theory hunting is supposed to help control the fox population. Not a particularly nice way to die but I'd say favourable to poison or gangrene a few days later after a misplaced shot that's failed to kill.
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| TheJudge 14 Jul 15 12.30pm |
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The SNP have less supporters than UKIP and have no business having so many seats but in the case of fox hunting,I find it disgusting that anyone wants to bring it back. There is enough illegal hunting going on as it is. They should be banging up these toffee nosed t***s for breaking the rules, not pandering to them.
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| Hoof Hearted 14 Jul 15 12.34pm | |
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OK lads.... I think we are all in agreement that fox hunting is a no no. The thread title and main bone of contention is the SNP hypocrisy and opportunism. Discuss.
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| TheJudge 14 Jul 15 12.38pm |
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There is no debate on that either. Their presence in our Parliament is an abomination.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 14 Jul 15 12.39pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Jul 2015 12.34pm
OK lads.... I think we are all in agreement that fox hunting is a no no. The thread title and main bone of contention is the SNP hypocrisy and opportunism. Discuss. They are politicians. What did you expect?
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| johnfirewall 14 Jul 15 3.01pm |
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Quote npn at 14 Jul 2015 11.26am
This one's winding me up a bit. They are NOT voting on re-legalising fox hunting. The change is that, when a fox is to be shot humanely for pest control purposes (still completely legal), they may currently use a maximum of two dogs to flush the foxes into the open where they can be shot. The argument is that this is pretty inefficient, particularly in woodland, and they would like to increase the number of dogs allowed to be used to flush the foxes (I guess the more dogs means the foxes are less able to dodge them and hide). The change is simply to the number of dogs allowed to be used in the process - this is not about fox hunting as most people (myself included) understand the term - it's not toffs in red coats chasing them across fields shouting "view haloo" and blowing horns, it's a bloke with a rifle undertaking pest control to control populations. All seems intentionally emotive to me. It's no different from shooting rabbits - of course you can argue the rights and wrongs of pest control, but it's nothing to do with "proper fox hunting". There was even a bloke on Radio 4 the other day who was an ex-bigwig in the League Against Cruel Sports saying it was fine. Hardly a surprise that people are getting worked up about something that isn't happening or that they don't understand. It happens daily on Facebook and upon illustrating the error one becomes a proponent of the imaginary unpopular proposal. Have you got a link detailing what is actually (not) being voted on? I'm on the fence in that it is a form of pest control, where legal and arguably less humane forms are practiced, which leaves me open to that argument too, were I to dare bring up the substance of the proposal. Edited by johnfirewall (14 Jul 2015 3.02pm)
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