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 Hrolf The Ganger  16 Nov 16 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well recently people were pretty sure that the US didn't want a racist, mysognistic arsehat to be president.... People were also pretty sure that the UK would stay in the EU. Both were close in the end, but I think both victories came as rather a surprise to those 'who were sure what the public wanted'. Although I think the 'ban the bomb' won't do him any good - Negotiation with 'terrorists' isn't necessarily unproductive. Sooner or later you have to deal with the issues that cause the problem, rather than the symptoms of the problem. But certainly, he's probably right about Trident, but wrong on the nuclear option. We need really to look at a shift to a land based missile option (even if its more expensive). Trident as a solution is very much a cold war 'last strike' scenario - and lacks the kind of range of operation that would be useful to cover the middle East, and far east. Also I'd expect to see Nuclear proliferation across the middle east. Certainly Iran and Saudi Arabia are well on the way. I was never sure that Trump wouldn't win. I will let the experts decide which nuclear weapons we need but left to Jeremy, we would have none.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
If the US election has taught us anything, anyone is electable. A constantly lying egotist who's election promises were basically simple, unquantified, statements, opinion and often outright impossible or illegal, who was wracked with controversy, including sexual harassment, a fraud lawsuit and likely hasn't paid taxation in years was elected to the White House. There are a lot of parallels between Corbyn and Trump in terms of the candidacy. I really don't see that. Trump sensed the mood and took advantage of it. Corbyn is totally out of touch with the majority. He appeals to idealists. An election now would see Labour demolished.
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| DanH SW2 16 Nov 16 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I really don't see that. Trump sensed the mood and took advantage of it. Corbyn is totally out of touch with the majority. He appeals to idealists. An election now would see Labour demolished. If the fallout of Brexit really hits the poor/working class the hardest and no early election is called then it really could be anyone's come 2020. Mezzer's bet of a currently non-existent party winning the next election still looks to be a decent punt.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
If the fallout of Brexit really hits the poor/working class the hardest and no early election is called then it really could be anyone's come 2020. Mezzer's bet of a currently non-existent party winning the next election still looks to be a decent punt. Too simplistic. Brexit is not a party political issue. The Tories will suffer if they fail to deliver hard Brexit and Labour will not benefit from opposing it.
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| johnfirewall 18 Nov 16 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Really? Can you back this up? Tell me this sort of mentality isn't representative of most people of your persuasion and further left. A lot of underlying hostility even in your average boycott. No doubt I'd be physically assaulted for carry the wrong newspaper. It's all basically Mods v Rockers for the ignorant of the 21st century. Edited by johnfirewall (21 Nov 2016 8.03pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Apr 17 7.45pm |
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A while ago, Ed Milliband put forward a suggestion of caps on energy bills. In the press he was roundly castigated (especially in the Mail).
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 14 Apr 17 8.45pm |
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Teresa May could be implicated in institutional child abuse and the Mail would find a way to dress her up in a union Jack and spew platitudes. Cornyn could cure cancer and the Mail would find a way to trivialize or demean it. Feel free to provide convincing evidence I'm wrong, as I do have an open mind.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Apr 17 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Teresa May could be implicated in institutional child abuse and the Mail would find a way to dress her up in a union Jack and spew platitudes. Cornyn could cure cancer and the Mail would find a way to trivialize or demean it. Feel free to provide convincing evidence I'm wrong, as I do have an open mind. What is the point you are making? Clearly the 'Mail' is right wing, similarly the 'Guardian' is liberal left - so what?
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 17 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
What is the point you are making? Clearly the 'Mail' is right wing, similarly the 'Guardian' is liberal left - so what? Over 75 percent of the press are right wing.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 16 Apr 17 10.39am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Over 75 percent of the press are right wing. Is that all? how can we get it higher?
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Apr 17 10.41am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
What is the point you are making? Clearly the 'Mail' is right wing, similarly the 'Guardian' is liberal left - so what? I'm addressing the point that started this thread off. Do you agree then that factual reporting is nowhere near as important as incessant driving of a narrative?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 16 Apr 17 10.52am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
I'm addressing the point that started this thread off. Do you agree then that factual reporting is nowhere near as important as incessant driving of a narrative? I think that anyone who doesn't take anything written in any newspaper with a large pinch of salt is daft.
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