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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 May 24 10.52am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by beak

Rishi and most Conservative M.P.s need to get down the Job Centre,the electorate are not in the mood to suffer them any longer.

Sadly, the electorate will likely vote us into one of the darkest periods we have ever seen
The Labour Party is populated by closet lefty loons who are currently pretending to be moderate.
Wes Streeting let the mask slip when he called the Conservative mayoral candidate a White supremacist.

Perhaps the next 5 years will be the tipping point for people to finally realise where this country is heading.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 03 May 24 10.56am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Sadly the younger generation have no idea what it's like under labour. They will soon find out and be in for a rude awakening.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 03 May 24 11.32am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

The popular mantra is there is no difference between Labour and Conservative now, see how that goes after Labour get power.

The woes of the UK will not be solved by ideological rhetoric from either side

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 12.17pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sadly, the electorate will likely vote us into one of the darkest periods we have ever seen
The Labour Party is populated by closet lefty loons who are currently pretending to be moderate.
Wes Streeting let the mask slip when he called the Conservative mayoral candidate a White supremacist.

Perhaps the next 5 years will be the tipping point for people to finally realise where this country is heading.

This gave me a chuckle.

This Labour party are right of Cameron's government. There is nothing left-wing about them.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 12.18pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Sadly the younger generation have no idea what it's like under labour. They will soon find out and be in for a rude awakening.

What do you foresee getting worst under Labour, given what a roaring success this current Government have been?

What have this government improved since the last Labour government?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 03 May 24 2.10pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Will be very interesting to see how many votes the George Galloway endorsed candidate gets in the West Midlands, now seems Andy Street is favourite to retain.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What do you foresee getting worst under Labour, given what a roaring success this current Government have been?

What have this government improved since the last Labour government?

Absolutely everything - services, bureaucracy, strikes, immigration, communal violence, crime, taxation, NHS, the weather, Palace's form, Wisbech's posts (hard to believe I know.)

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 03 May 24 3.33pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Absolutely everything - services, bureaucracy, strikes, immigration, communal violence, crime, taxation, NHS, the weather, Palace's form, Wisbech's posts (hard to believe I know.)

Excellent - really made me laugh.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 3.33pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Absolutely everything - services, bureaucracy, strikes, immigration, communal violence, crime, taxation, NHS, the weather, Palace's form, Wisbech's posts (hard to believe I know.)

Just taking a few of the more serious suggestions;

- Public Services - pretty much across the board public services are performing worse than under the previous Labour government

- NHS - performing far worse now than when the Tories took power, by pretty much every metric going

- Immigration - immigration rates are considerably higher now than when the Tories took power

- Tax - we currently have the highest tax burden since the 2nd world war, and certainly higher than when the Tories took power


There's not really any logic to the suggestion that these things will be worse under a Labour government, given they have all got considerably worse since Labour lost power. If Labour were so bad, we would have seen some sort of improvement over the decade+ that they have not been in power.


I've said many times I won't be voting for Starmer's Labour, but these sort of lazy tropes that somehow it's going to get worse than the worst government I've ever seen, don't really have any grounding in reality.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 03 May 24 3.42pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Just taking a few of the more serious suggestions;

- Public Services - pretty much across the board public services are performing worse than under the previous Labour government

- NHS - performing far worse now than when the Tories took power, by pretty much every metric going

- Immigration - immigration rates are considerably higher now than when the Tories took power

- Tax - we currently have the highest tax burden since the 2nd world war, and certainly higher than when the Tories took power

There's not really any logic to the suggestion that these things will be worse under a Labour government, given they have all got considerably worse since Labour lost power. If Labour were so bad, we would have seen some sort of improvement over the decade+ that they have not been in power.

I've said many times I won't be voting for Starmer's Labour, but these sort of lazy tropes that somehow it's going to get worse than the worst government I've ever seen, don't really have any grounding in reality.

I agree that all these things have been worse under the Tories, my view is that they will get even worse under Labour. This is largely due to the two parties being practically the same on all issues. Governments in general are incompetent, spendthrift, wasteful and inefficient. Labour general do more governing, so will be worse that even the Tories have been, especially as they will move us closer to the EU if not try to rejoin which would be truly disastrous as it would mean even more government.

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 3.44pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

I agree that all these things have been worse under the Tories, my view is that they will get even worse under Labour. This is largely due to the two parties being practically the same on all issues.

Fair enough.

I think some of them will improve narrowly but the bigger picture will remain bleak because, as you say, they are both signing from the same flawed hymn sheet.

A very-slightly shinier version of the same pile of s***.

 

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View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 03 May 24 4.04pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What do you foresee getting worst under Labour, given what a roaring success this current Government have been?

What have this government improved since the last Labour government?

I too feel that things will get worse under labour. They will select their targets for higher taxation and it will be those that they consider to be the 'rich' i.e. anyone they consider to be middle class or higher.

I believe that private pensions will be hit. The 25% tax free allowance will go. There may be a higher tax rate for private pension payments.

Income tax, the 40% tax rate will become 45%, the 45% will become 50% and the threshold lowered to 100K. They may even introduce a higher than that tax rate.

There may be a new indirect tax for income not earned under PAYE or self employment.

Car's will be hit with higher road tax for cars considered to be "ungreen" or that cost over a certain amount to buy.

All this whilst the cost of the welfare state will explode.......again.

In terms of what the tories did, that has conveniently been forgotten. Payments to people and businesses during covid. Payments to people and businesses during the energy crisis. Increases in the minimum wage. To name just a few.

But as they does not fit lets pretend it never happened.

 

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