Natalie Elphicke leaves the Tories for Labour.
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 Stirlingsays  10 May 24 7.22am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I don't think either are covered in glory but there are clear differences between them and one of them at least worked in the NHS and knows what he is talking about. Is Elphicke standing down? I'm just pointing out that you're taking it all rather at face value. The NHS is buggered all ends up regardless....the number of retirements of experienced staff will continue for years to cope....all while they have increased the population by ten odd million amid a situation of people living longer. The problems with the NHS are deep seated and have been ignored for decades....Blair kicked that can down the road as well. It's like housing these are the consequences of decisions kicked down the road, which of course makes the problem far worse.... It is a fundamental problem with democracy.
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| georgenorman 10 May 24 1.24pm |
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Keir Starmer seems to be morphing into Enoch Powell, no wonder Natalie Elphick has joined him.
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cryrst  The garden of England 10 May 24 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Keir Starmer seems to be morphing into Enoch Powell, no wonder Natalie Elphick has joined him. It will be rivers of cash for 18 months then the penny will drop. Well that’s what will be left
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| georgenorman 10 May 24 5.12pm |
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The Comrades on here must surely be getting nervous when not only right-wing Tories are joining Labour, but George Osborne says: "Keir and Rachel are more than capable of governing the country". We also have Rory Stewart saying he is interested in being a Labour peer. Those on the left of the Labour party will soon be outnumbered by deserting 'Tories'. The probable incoming Labour government will be hard to distinguish from the current one - a sort of Starnakism.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 May 24 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The Comrades on here must surely be getting nervous when not only right-wing Tories are joining Labour, but George Osborne says: "Keir and Rachel are more than capable of governing the country". We also have Rory Stewart saying he is interested in being a Labour peer. Those on the left of the Labour party will soon be outnumbered by deserting 'Tories'. The probable incoming Labour government will be hard to distinguish from the current one - a sort of Starnakism. It’s not really a new reality - Starmer has proved many times over that he has no interest in the left of the Labour party and is solely focused on winning an election by appealing to centre and centre/right voters. Some on the left console themselves with the idea that this is just a ploy to win power, and once he’s won his majority he will unveil some progressive agenda to appease the left, but I haven’t seen one thing from Starmer which supports that theory.
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| Stirlingsays 10 May 24 6.33pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It’s not really a new reality - Starmer has proved many times over that he has no interest in the left of the Labour party and is solely focused on winning an election by appealing to centre and centre/right voters. Some on the left console themselves with the idea that this is just a ploy to win power, and once he’s won his majority he will unveil some progressive agenda to appease the left, but I haven’t seen one thing from Starmer which supports that theory. You will if you look into his background. As for 'progressive'....yeah, like a cancer is progressive.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 May 24 6.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You will if you look into his background. As for 'progressive'....yeah, like a cancer is progressive. You’ll have to expand on that. Nothing I’ve seen about his background suggests anything close to a left wing agenda - he’s an establishment man running the easiest campaign of all time on a centrist agenda. He’s gone out of his way to alienate most of the left of the party.
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| georgenorman 10 May 24 6.54pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You’ll have to expand on that. Nothing I’ve seen about his background suggests anything close to a left wing agenda - he’s an establishment man running the easiest campaign of all time on a centrist agenda. He’s gone out of his way to alienate most of the left of the party. Most of the left go out of their way to be alienated.
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| Stirlingsays 10 May 24 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You’ll have to expand on that. Nothing I’ve seen about his background suggests anything close to a left wing agenda - he’s an establishment man running the easiest campaign of all time on a centrist agenda. He’s gone out of his way to alienate most of the left of the party. Early on he started running an organisation called Socialist Alternatives. The Socialist Alternatives were a part of the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency. This idea that he's right wing seems absurd to me. From what I see he's all about power and will lie to anyone about anything to get it. He courted the left of his party to gain the leadership and now alienates the left of the party to gain boomer centralist voters so he can prise as big a majority as possible. He's a socialist alright. However, he will face the same restrictions the Tories faced....insomuch as the department civil service run the country and limit options much more than governmental department leaders. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2024 7.47pm)
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| Matov 10 May 24 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You’ll have to expand on that. Nothing I’ve seen about his background suggests anything close to a left wing agenda - he’s an establishment man running the easiest campaign of all time on a centrist agenda. He’s gone out of his way to alienate most of the left of the party. The journey he has undertaken since being part of a Corbyn led shadow cabinet to his 'second referendum' policy to his leadership campaign (he made some cracking pledges during that) to now when he is quite literally to the right of almost the entire Conservative Parliamentary Party is quite astounding. Vying between the farcical and rather sinister. Been toying with a suspicion that maybe he keeps Cameron on a foreign secretary? If he does then we might as well all just give up and go home because we will literally be run by the Uni-Party.
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