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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 18 Dec 16 9.54am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Sunderland will not be spending in the 'Transfer Window' and Moyes has said that if he knew the owner was selling and that he wouldn't have any money to spend he might have thought differently about the job.

Maybe Swansea will make a change ASAP and perhaps they might be attracted towards Allardyce who wants to get back into management.

I think Hull are doomed as well.They are another club with a "For Sale" sign.

That might be a good thing for Sunderland.
Alan's record in the Transfer Market with us is not good reading.

Take yesterdays starting 11,only Cabaye and Benteke were signed by Alan.

Have they actually made the 'TEAM' better ?

League position says NO.

We need a Left Back on January 1st with or without Mr.Pardew.

 


Palace 13th 2017/18.

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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 18 Dec 16 9.59am Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

You're going to have to tell most of us what it says, as it's a subscription service.

English Premier League
Predicting the outcome of the 2016/17 Premier League season
The FT’s model simulates the final standings using teams’ underlying performance data

DECEMBER 16, 2016 by: John Burn-Murdoch
“The Premier League table never lies,” goes the aphorism. The claim seems simple enough — the team at the top of the table is the team at the top of the table, and when the final whistle goes on the last day of the season, that’s all that matters.


But the implied corollary that we need not look beyond the standings to determine which sides are better than others at any given time is much less robust.

At the time of writing, for example, Liverpool have played two fewer matches at home than away — they swapped venues with Burnley early in the season while their new main stand was being built. The home advantage in football is well documented, so does this mean Jürgen Klopp’s side might be better than their points and goals totals would suggest?

Then we have the matter of schedule difficulty. Table-toppers Chelsea have already played all other members of the current top six. Manchester City are still yet to play Arsenal and Liverpool. Surely this should be factored in to our interpretation of the standings?

And what of the results themselves? Goals in football are rare relThen we have the matter of schedule difficulty. Table-toppers Chelsea have already played all other members of the current top six. Manchester City are still yet to play Arsenal and Liverpool. Surely this should be factored in to our interpretation of the standings?

And what of the results themselves? Goals in football are rare relative to points in tennis, pitches in baseball and so on, meaning results in football are more subject to random variation — in other words, luck — than many other sports. We need to look beyond the scoreboard to get the true measure of a team’s performance level.

The FT’s Premier League predictor, the first iteration of which you see here, aims to deal with all three of these issues, and provide an early glimpse of how the table might end up looking based on teams’ underlying qualities and fixture schedules.ative to points in tennis, pitches in baseball and so on, meaning results in football are more subject to random variation — in other words, luck — than many other sports. We need to look beyond the scoreboard to get the true measure of a team’s performance level.

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At the time of writing, current leaders Chelsea win the title in 62 per cent of the 50,000 simulated seasons, ahead of Liverpool and Manchester City, with Arsenal and Tottenham fighting for the fourth Champions League qualification berth.

The most substantive difference between the predicted outcomes and the purportedly infallible current table is at the bottom, where the model expects Burnley to be sucked down into the fight for survival, competing with Swansea to survive the drop.

Elsewhere, Southampton are projected to move up the table into a head-to-head with Everton for 7th spot, driven largely by their excellent defensive record. Saints have conceded fewer shots-on-target per match than any other side in the league this season, according to the FT’s data.

In order to predict the likelihood of each team finishing in a given position, the model calculates a distribution of how many points each team is likely to accrue by the end of the season.

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Methodology

The model is based on an approach developed by Dutch football statistician Sander Ijtsma, of 11tegen11.com. Its inputs are various no-pitch metrics including numbers, balances and ratios of points, goals, shots and shots on target, as well as shooting accuracy and time spent at different score differentials.

The specific steps are as follows:

Using a historical database of more than 6,000 Premier League matches, these statistics are then regressed against the numbers of goals a team scores and concedes in its next match, respectively, using a separate linear model for each.
The results can then be used to assign attacking and defending ratings — more simply, the expected numbers of goals scored and conceded in the next match — to any team at any time, given its underlying performance data. Ratings are generated for each team in every historical match in the database, generating expected score-lines to sit alongside the known results.
The impact of home-field advantage is then assessed using a new pair of linear models — one for the home team, one for the visitors. Each regresses the expected numbers of goals scored and conceded by a team in a given match against the observed number. The results allow the home team’s scoring and conceding ratings to be adjusted in its favour, and the away team’s ratings downgraded, based on historical patterns.

At this point, matches can be simulated in full. Having adjusted for home advantage, the expected average numbers of goals scored and conceded are used to generate the likelihood of a team scoring specific, integer numbers of goals, based on the knowledge that goal-scoring in football closely follows the poisson distribution*. For example, a team projected to score 1.75 goals in a given match (based on its underlying performance data and the venue) will score one goal in that match 30 per cent of the time, two goals 27 per cent of the time, zero 17 per cent of the time, and so on. To simulate a match, random draws are made from these goal probabilities to determine how many goals each team scores.
To create the end-of-season projections as they appear on this page, every remaining match of the season is simulated in this way based on teams’ underlying performance statistics as they currently stand. The points and goal-difference from these results are added to existing totals to produce final standings after every team has “played” 38 matches. The aforementioned random draws mean that, each season, simulation produces a slightly different set of results. These ranges of outcomes are transformed into probabilities of different points totals and placings by running each season sim 50,000 times and taking the average number of times each team finishes on a given points total, or in a given position.
* Tied results are more likely in reality than the true poisson distribution would suggest, so a small adjustment is made to ensure that the ratios of winsraws:losses is consistent with historical patterns.

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 18 Dec 16 10.00am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

You should be able to read it via google.

Search these 4 words - financial times premier league

and it's the second link.

[Link]


I see you've copied it. Thanks.

Edited by bexleydave (18 Dec 2016 10.02am)

 


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Originally posted by bexleydave

I see you've copied it. Thanks.

Edited by bexleydave (18 Dec 2016 10.02am)

Missing a key graphic. Here it is.

Edited by Aray (18 Dec 2016 10.05am)

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View fed up eagle's Profile fed up eagle Flag Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 18 Dec 16 10.08am Send a Private Message to fed up eagle Add fed up eagle as a friend

We won't stay up with Pardew in charge, he's had a full year to prove he can turn this shambles around and he's failed convincingly. Bring in Big Sam to turn things round, do it now so he has time and a transfer window to make good our escape from relegation.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Dec 16 10.23am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by OldFella

Rudi - your posts against AP appear really personal. Come clean?

OF

It's not personal, which is why Parish shouldn't have extended his chum's contract and should end it right about God knows how many weeks ago.

No need to play charades this year. Just listen to super duper he'll turn it around eventually Al. Yeah, Barnsley at home next November.

 


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Asian Eagle Flag Cebu City 18 Dec 16 10.37am

We will stay up if we stop cocking up things for our selves.Up next is watford there could be a possibility for 3 points.
Then arsenal,,, well forget it 0 points or?
Next is Swansea another 3 points with in reach?
Then Bolton away in the cup okay,,, f*** the cup?
West Ham away hmmm, maybe 1 point if we are at our best.
Everton at home is a chance for 3 points,,,,
Then Bournemouth ,,,Nope cant see anything but 1 point

Possible for this end of Dec. and January 9 points?

Then february 3 matches Suderland at home 3points?
Stoke away , maybe we could nick a point.
Borough at home should be 3 points. 6-7 points?

Think we could achive up to 15 points and still there are more matches left, so if we can achive something like that , think we stay up.

But then again no cokcing things up like we did to Burnley ,Hull and Swansea.

So if you take a look at November month against
Burbley, City and Swansea, we could have got another 6-7 points and then things looks a whole lot better doesnt it.

Merry Christmas to you all and a faboulus New Year
Stay up the Eagles.

Edited by Asian Eagle (18 Dec 2016 10.39am)

 

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View MKCPFC's Profile MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 18 Dec 16 10.47am Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by alaneagle1

That might be a good thing for Sunderland.
Alan's record in the Transfer Market with us is not good reading.

Take yesterdays starting 11,only Cabaye and Benteke were signed by Alan.

Have they actually made the 'TEAM' better ?

League position says NO.
We need a Left Back on January 1st with or without
Mr.Pardew.

I would say Benteke has , he has scored goals and carries a threat , something we have lacked for a couple of seasons now , without his goals we would be bottom , certainly in the bottom already.
The problem is with the way we are attempting to play,
unfortunately the team can't do it,and it is causing the him to become more and more isolated. He is a forward and cannot influence his own supply line , especially against teams like Man U and Chelsea when he is one against three or four.

Stay up ?

Last Season we were 6th at this time and barely managed to stay up , not done the maths I would guess that we would have to improve on our after Christmas form of last year by about three times.
Bearing in mind we are still in poor form a year after it began things are not looking promising.
We can only stay up in current form if Hull , Swansea and Sunderland never go on a mini run of wins.

Someone needs to find a way to play to the players strengths using a system they understand and can play to end to bad form.

 

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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 18 Dec 16 10.51am Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

yes. 100% sure.

 


‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway


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View davehuggins's Profile davehuggins Flag 18 Dec 16 10.58am Send a Private Message to davehuggins Add davehuggins as a friend

I like this reply and my Sunday is getting a whole lot better.


100% STAY UP

 

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View rawpalace05's Profile rawpalace05 Flag Saltdean 18 Dec 16 11.05am Send a Private Message to rawpalace05 Add rawpalace05 as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

yes. 100% sure.

Yep. Jan and Feb will be the catalyst months what with easier fixtures giving new players a chance to hit the ground running. It will also hopefully offset the 2016 record which is being done to death, I'm going for a 55% win ratio by March,which come then will be the 5th best percentage in 2017 across the English leagues...Gary Lineker to give us a dulcet "remarkable upturn", Wilf and Scotty in the England set up and pardew haters start to change their minds.

Edited by rawpalace05 (18 Dec 2016 11.08am)

 


1/6/2010.a new era.we made it everyone!!!lets get the ball rolling for another 105 years of proud history.thank you cpfc2010.

palace forever.eeaaaaaaaaaaaaaggglless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hoof Hearted 18 Dec 16 11.13am

It's ridiculous that we are even discussing this possibility with the calibre of players we have at our disposal, but that highlights how poor a manager Pardew (aka Mildew) really is.

We should be in a better position than WBA, Watford and Bournemouth, rather than 1 point above the bottom 3 at Christmas.

Defeat at WAtford and Arsenal away will see us start off 2017 actually in the bottom 3 and will make it difficult to attract the new players we need.

The longer we keep Pardew as manager, the more likely we are to go down.

 

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