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eaglesdare 08 Oct 23 10.48pm
And now we are seeing just what happened to the billions of dollars of weapons that sleepy joe left behind in the failed withdrawal of Afghanistan......
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08 Oct 23 10.48pm

And now we are seeing just what happened to the billions of dollars of weapons that sleepy joe left behind in the failed withdrawal of Afghanistan......

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HKOwen Hong Kong 08 Oct 23 11.01pm
Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: belong, or profess to belong, to a proscribed organisation in the UK or overseas (section 11 of the Act) invite support for a proscribed organisation (the support invited need not be material support, such as the provision of money or other property, and can also include moral support or approval) (section 12(1)) express an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation (section 12(1A)) arrange, manage or assist in arranging or managing a meeting in the knowledge that the meeting is to support or further the activities of a proscribed organisation, or is to be addressed by a person who belongs or professes to belong to a proscribed organisation (section 12(2)); or to address a meeting if the purpose of the address is to encourage support for, or further the activities of, a proscribed organisation (section 12(3)) wear clothing or carry or display articles in public in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that the individual is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation (section 13) publish an image of an item of clothing or other article, such as a flag or logo, in the same circumstances (section 13(1A)) Supporting the actions of Hammas IDQ is an offence under the Terrorism Act. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 08 Oct 23 11.01pm

Proscription makes it a criminal offence to:

belong, or profess to belong, to a proscribed organisation in the UK or overseas (section 11 of the Act)
invite support for a proscribed organisation (the support invited need not be material support, such as the provision of money or other property, and can also include moral support or approval) (section 12(1))
express an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation (section 12(1A))
arrange, manage or assist in arranging or managing a meeting in the knowledge that the meeting is to support or further the activities of a proscribed organisation, or is to be addressed by a person who belongs or professes to belong to a proscribed organisation (section 12(2)); or to address a meeting if the purpose of the address is to encourage support for, or further the activities of, a proscribed organisation (section 12(3))
wear clothing or carry or display articles in public in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that the individual is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation (section 13)
publish an image of an item of clothing or other article, such as a flag or logo, in the same circumstances (section 13(1A))

Supporting the actions of Hammas IDQ is an offence under the Terrorism Act.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 08 Oct 23 11.30pm
Originally posted by NE14T I feel hugely sorry for the Palestinians trying to liberate their country from an illegal occupation. Yes. Illegal in international law. If you do support them or their struggle many people will call you anti-Semitic and politicians then bow to the pressure like cowards . Always stand up for the oppressed and don’t let the political bullies and big money and influence stop you speaking. ___________________________________________________________________ NE14, Do you consider the Hammas attacks as " an act of liberation "? Do you support the attacks? If you do consider the above in the affirmative then say so and don't " bow to pressure like a coward " (sic) Edited by HKOwen (08 Oct 2023 11.31pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 08 Oct 23 11.30pm

Originally posted by NE14T

I feel hugely sorry for the Palestinians trying to liberate their country from an illegal occupation. Yes. Illegal in international law. If you do support them or their struggle many people will call you anti-Semitic and politicians then bow to the pressure like cowards .

Always stand up for the oppressed and don’t let the political bullies and big money
and influence stop you speaking.
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NE14,

Do you consider the Hammas attacks as " an act of liberation "?

Do you support the attacks?

If you do consider the above in the affirmative then say so and don't " bow to pressure like a coward " (sic)

Edited by HKOwen (08 Oct 2023 11.31pm)

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Stirlingsays 09 Oct 23 4.06am
Originally posted by HKOwen Iran is pulling the Hamas strings but don't see them taking a huge number of refugees, they want this to go on and on. Edited by HKOwen (08 Oct 2023 10.58pm) Definitely Iran, possibly even more than them but I'm speculating. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Oct 23 4.06am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Iran is pulling the Hamas strings but don't see them taking a huge number of refugees, they want this to go on and on.

Edited by HKOwen (08 Oct 2023 10.58pm)

Definitely Iran, possibly even more than them but I'm speculating.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 09 Oct 23 5.00am
I think speculation is all anyone, except those at the top, can do. Interesting turn of phrase by the BBC. "Retaliatory Israeli action" This was specifically referencing air strikes on civilians. How are the UN not getting involved when both sides have targeted civilians with military force ? Indeed, the Israeli military is not the only source of Palestinian misery. "Palestinians seek refuge but electricity and gas have been cut off and medical infrastructure is on its knees" (The Guardian) This is much easier than NI to sort. Get the Israel borders clearly defined and immovable. and recognise Palestine as a country. But people at the top seemingly want Israel to destroy the Palestinian people. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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I think speculation is all anyone, except those at the top, can do.

Interesting turn of phrase by the BBC. "Retaliatory Israeli action"
This was specifically referencing air strikes on civilians. How are the UN not getting involved when both sides have targeted civilians with military force ?
Indeed, the Israeli military is not the only source of Palestinian misery. "Palestinians seek refuge but electricity and gas have been cut off and medical infrastructure is on its knees" (The Guardian)

This is much easier than NI to sort. Get the Israel borders clearly defined and immovable. and recognise Palestine as a country.

But people at the top seemingly want Israel to destroy the Palestinian people.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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HKOwen Hong Kong 09 Oct 23 5.32am
The UN is a toothless collection of talking heads all earning nicely Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 09 Oct 23 5.32am

The UN is a toothless collection of talking heads all earning nicely

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Oct 23 6.39am
People talk about giving Palestinians a clearly defined, border-secure homeland to solve this once and for all. Amongst Netanyahu's coalition he is dependent on Knesset members who want the West Bank officially annexed into Israel. So nothing will change until there is a 'seismic' shift in political and public opinion.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Oct 23 6.39am

People talk about giving Palestinians a clearly defined, border-secure homeland to solve this once and for all.

Amongst Netanyahu's coalition he is dependent on Knesset members who want the West Bank officially annexed into Israel. So nothing will change until there is a 'seismic' shift in political and public opinion.

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georgenorman 09 Oct 23 6.40am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I think speculation is all anyone, except those at the top, can do. Interesting turn of phrase by the BBC. "Retaliatory Israeli action" This was specifically referencing air strikes on civilians. How are the UN not getting involved when both sides have targeted civilians with military force ? Indeed, the Israeli military is not the only source of Palestinian misery. "Palestinians seek refuge but electricity and gas have been cut off and medical infrastructure is on its knees" (The Guardian) This is much easier than NI to sort. Get the Israel borders clearly defined and immovable. and recognise Palestine as a country. But people at the top seemingly want Israel to destroy the Palestinian people. So what is wrong with the phrase "Retaliatory Israeli action"? It is precisely what Israel are doing. It might be improved a little by making it "Retaliatory Israeli action against Hamas scum".
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09 Oct 23 6.40am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I think speculation is all anyone, except those at the top, can do.

This is much easier than NI to sort. Get the Israel borders clearly defined and immovable. and recognise Palestine as a country.

But people at the top seemingly want Israel to destroy the Palestinian people.

So what is wrong with the phrase "Retaliatory Israeli action"? It is precisely what Israel are doing. It might be improved a little by making it "Retaliatory Israeli action against Hamas scum".

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Stirlingsays 09 Oct 23 6.56am
Originally posted by HKOwen The UN is a toothless collection of talking heads all earning nicely Pretty much.....if you removed the humanitarian aid distribution element to them (all given to them) then they are just another layer of, on the make, over educated windbag careerists. The UN helped create this problem in the first place. There is no satisfactory way of solving any of it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Oct 23 6.56am

Originally posted by HKOwen

The UN is a toothless collection of talking heads all earning nicely

Pretty much.....if you removed the humanitarian aid distribution element to them (all given to them) then they are just another layer of, on the make, over educated windbag careerists.

The UN helped create this problem in the first place.

There is no satisfactory way of solving any of it.

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Stirlingsays 09 Oct 23 7.03am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad People talk about giving Palestinians a clearly defined, border-secure homeland to solve this once and for all. Amongst Netanyahu's coalition he is dependent on Knesset members who want the West Bank officially annexed into Israel. So nothing will change until there is a 'seismic' shift in political and public opinion. You seriously think doing that ends Palestinian hatred of Jews? Border secure means an army. The two state solution is a fantasy as Israel itself would have to be forced into it happening. You'd have to be stupid like the Europeans to build up your own enemies. It's the easy to say fantasy that keeps getting mentioned because few are willing to admit to themselves the on the ground harsh truth of what's happened here. The most probable end to this is the removal of Palestinians from that land....which has Indian partition written all over it. Also, I don't even want to mention nuclear because this generation apparently thinks playing chicken is fine. There is no such thing as peace between rival castles, only intervals between conflicts. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2023 8.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Oct 23 7.03am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

People talk about giving Palestinians a clearly defined, border-secure homeland to solve this once and for all.

You seriously think doing that ends Palestinian hatred of Jews? Border secure means an army.
The two state solution is a fantasy as Israel itself would have to be forced into it happening. You'd have to be stupid like the Europeans to build up your own enemies.

It's the easy to say fantasy that keeps getting mentioned because few are willing to admit to themselves the on the ground harsh truth of what's happened here.

The most probable end to this is the removal of Palestinians from that land....which has Indian partition written all over it. Also, I don't even want to mention nuclear because this generation apparently thinks playing chicken is fine.

There is no such thing as peace between rival castles, only intervals between conflicts.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2023 8.44am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Oct 23 10.24am
It is a great mystery as to why Israeli security was not prepared for this attack. It has a feeling of 9/11 about it. I will be extremely surprised if Israel don't all but destroy Gaza after this. This atrocity is the perfect excuse. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Oct 2023 1.10pm)
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It is a great mystery as to why Israeli security was not prepared for this attack.
It has a feeling of 9/11 about it.

I will be extremely surprised if Israel don't all but destroy Gaza after this. This atrocity is the perfect excuse.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Oct 2023 1.10pm)

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Matov 09 Oct 23 12.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It is a great mystery as to why Israeli security was not prepared for this attack. Quite. Some of the footage I have seen is of groups of people with wire cutters and then 'invading' on motorbikes. As the Russians have shown, in a period of months, it is not difficult to create lines that cannot be penetrated. For a supposedly 'fortified' border it appears to have been leakier than sieve. Hell of a lot not adding up in the slightest here. The gap in terms of military capacity between Hammas and the Israeli army is almost incomprehensible, allied with supposedly one of the top intelligence agencies in the world. And yet that literally stroll in, massacre hundreds at a pop concert along with all kinds of other s***, with no real resistance put up? Nah. It stinks to high heaven. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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09 Oct 23 12.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is a great mystery as to why Israeli security was not prepared for this attack.

Quite. Some of the footage I have seen is of groups of people with wire cutters and then 'invading' on motorbikes. As the Russians have shown, in a period of months, it is not difficult to create lines that cannot be penetrated. For a supposedly 'fortified' border it appears to have been leakier than sieve.

Hell of a lot not adding up in the slightest here.

The gap in terms of military capacity between Hammas and the Israeli army is almost incomprehensible, allied with supposedly one of the top intelligence agencies in the world.

And yet that literally stroll in, massacre hundreds at a pop concert along with all kinds of other s***, with no real resistance put up?

Nah. It stinks to high heaven.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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