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 georgenorman  30 Apr 24 8.56am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you seriously want to restrict the right to protest peacefully, just because it happens every week? If there really is intimidation then it should, and I believe, would be dealt with. Just as any march would, whether on St George’s day or Eid Al Fitr. The police have to balance the right to free expression with their duty to maintain the peace. Upsetting some as a consequence is inevitable. I'm more than happy to restrict the 'right' of Islamic Terrorism supporters and apologists to spread their poison.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 24 12.59pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I'm more than happy to restrict the 'right' of Islamic Terrorism supporters and apologists to spread their poison. We all are. So is the law. Promoting illegal activities or banned organisations is itself unlawful. However, those who peacefully protest about the treatment of unarmed civilians are not in that category.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Apr 24 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We all are. So is the law. Promoting illegal activities or banned organisations is itself unlawful. However, those who peacefully protest about the treatment of unarmed civilians are not in that category. I think the problem here is that what might appear to be a peaceful demonstration is very intimidating and restricting to Jewish people. The police broke up a single vigil of women a while back, but they don't do anything about the weekly, costly chaos in London. Sure you should be able to demonstrate about government policy, but this is about something happening in another country and where the greater interests of our country have to be considered.
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| georgenorman 30 Apr 24 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We all are. So is the law. Promoting illegal activities or banned organisations is itself unlawful. However, those who peacefully protest about the treatment of unarmed civilians are not in that category. Yes, you just carry on telling us that we should not believe what is in front of our noses.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 24 10.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think the problem here is that what might appear to be a peaceful demonstration is very intimidating and restricting to Jewish people. The police broke up a single vigil of women a while back, but they don't do anything about the weekly, costly chaos in London. Sure you should be able to demonstrate about government policy, but this is about something happening in another country and where the greater interests of our country have to be considered. It’s no more restricting to Jewish people than anyone else. If they feel intimidated by the lawful actions of others then the answer lies in their own hands and is easily achieved. Be somewhere else. There’s thousands of alternatives. Describing the participants in derogatory terms doesn’t impinge on their rights. They just have to be peaceful and stay lawful. The lady I think you are referring to wasn’t on a vigil at all. She was deliberately flouting an exclusion order, video cameras at the ready, in a way designed to provoke her arrest. It was a publicity stunt organised by an American pro life group who have organised similar stunts in the USA. Of course our interests are paramount. One of the principal ones being our right to protest freely.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 24 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Yes, you just carry on telling us that we should not believe what is in front of our noses. Anyone whose close range vision is so distorted that they start seeing things that aren’t there needs to go to Specsavers.
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| georgenorman 30 Apr 24 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s no more restricting to Jewish people than anyone else. If they feel intimidated by the lawful actions of others then the answer lies in their own hands and is easily achieved. Be somewhere else. There’s thousands of alternatives. Describing the participants in derogatory terms doesn’t impinge on their rights. They just have to be peaceful and stay lawful. The lady I think you are referring to wasn’t on a vigil at all. She was deliberately flouting an exclusion order, video cameras at the ready, in a way designed to provoke her arrest. It was a publicity stunt organised by an American pro life group who have organised similar stunts in the USA. Of course our interests are paramount. One of the principal ones being our right to protest freely. No she didn't. She was not excluded from physically being in the area, she was prohibited from demonstrating. She was standing still, silently, and perhaps praying in the privacy of her own head. The police took the Orwellian view that she was committing a thought crime. You are so keen to condemn this woman for doing nothing, while being a supporter of highly disruptive demonstrators who threaten Jews.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 May 24 10.09am |
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So trade unions are out demonstrating alongside Palestinian supporters today. But it's got nothing to do with politics or the upcoming election, honest.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 01 May 24 10.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We all are. So is the law. Promoting illegal activities or banned organisations is itself unlawful. we have Fellas preaching Islam in the centre of Croydon all the time. well, its a free country. Go and try to preach some Christianity in a muslim country then Eagle. Especially its doctrine of love thy enemy, peace and forgiveness. enjoy the jail-time. Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 May 2024 10.55am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 11.11am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
No she didn't. She was not excluded from physically being in the area, she was prohibited from demonstrating. She was standing still, silently, and perhaps praying in the privacy of her own head. The police took the Orwellian view that she was committing a thought crime. You are so keen to condemn this woman for doing nothing, while being a supporter of highly disruptive demonstrators who threaten Jews. Let’s get the facts straight shall we? There’s been far too much disinformation circulated about this, and other, people’s activities over this issue. She was in a “Safe Access Zone”, which is a 150 meter area around an abortion advice centre designed to ensure those who wish to consult them can do so without being intimidated. That is unarguable. The woman is not banned from that area. She, like everyone else, is restricted from behaving in a way which intimidates, or has the potential to intimidate, others wishing to access the centre. She claims to have been silently praying, but what she says or thinks is irrelevant. It is how her actions are perceived by those wishing to use the centre, and by the police who must administer the order, that matter. She is a known pro-life activist with a history. She was supported by others who were there to video everything. This was clearly a publicity stunt which it was reasonable to regard as potentially intimidating to those wishing to access the centre. They quite understandably would not wish to be caught on a pro-life publicity video. The police therefore had no choice, after repeated warnings, to take action. Her right to pray in the street has not been impinged in any way. It’s just that another’s right to freely access a service trumps it in a very specific and restricted location. If she sat in a parked car, with darkened windows and without anyone else videoing, or dash cams recording, in the area and quietly prayed inside it then I don’t suppose the police would take any action at all. She would still get her prayers done but she wouldn’t bother because being seen, being videoed and being arrested was the purpose. Not the prayers.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 11.17am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
we have Fellas preaching Islam in the centre of Croydon all the time. well, its a free country. Go and try to preach some Christianity in a muslim country then Eagle. Especially its doctrine of love thy enemy, peace and forgiveness. enjoy the jail-time. Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 May 2024 10.55am) Different country, different laws. I lived for a while in the Philippines. You try standing in the street there and criticise the Catholic Church or, if you aren’t a Filipino, the Government and see what would happen. I don’t agree with restrictive laws or attitudes either and will argue for freedom of expression with anyone, but if that’s their law it must be respected. Be proud of ours!
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| georgenorman 01 May 24 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Let’s get the facts straight shall we? There’s been far too much disinformation circulated about this, and other, people’s activities over this issue. She was in a “Safe Access Zone”, which is a 150 meter area around an abortion advice centre designed to ensure those who wish to consult them can do so without being intimidated. That is unarguable. The woman is not banned from that area. She, like everyone else, is restricted from behaving in a way which intimidates, or has the potential to intimidate, others wishing to access the centre. She claims to have been silently praying, but what she says or thinks is irrelevant. It is how her actions are perceived by those wishing to use the centre, and by the police who must administer the order, that matter. She is a known pro-life activist with a history. She was supported by others who were there to video everything. This was clearly a publicity stunt which it was reasonable to regard as potentially intimidating to those wishing to access the centre. They quite understandably would not wish to be caught on a pro-life publicity video. The police therefore had no choice, after repeated warnings, to take action. Her right to pray in the street has not been impinged in any way. It’s just that another’s right to freely access a service trumps it in a very specific and restricted location. If she sat in a parked car, with darkened windows and without anyone else videoing, or dash cams recording, in the area and quietly prayed inside it then I don’t suppose the police would take any action at all. She would still get her prayers done but she wouldn’t bother because being seen, being videoed and being arrested was the purpose. Not the prayers. That paragraph sums it up really. People can break the law for literally doing nothing - for merely physically existing in a public street. Other people can have you arrested by merely saying that they perceive you as some sort of threat. O'Brien from the Ministry of Truth would be proud of you. Edited by georgenorman (01 May 2024 11.31am)
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