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Will the EPL follow Sweden & vote to scrap VAR . . . [Link]

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 May 24 7.09pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Will the EPL follow Sweden & vote to scrap VAR . . . [Link]

Moan United and Liverpool are always complaining but I think they will vote to keep it. Imagine if they lost a key game due to an obvious offside.

They hate VAR but would hate it even more if they didn't have it.

 


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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 16 May 24 7.55am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Anyone that reads my posts and I dont blame anyone for skipping past them will know I have been a critic of this awful system and the way its been implemented from the get go .

We have now had it for a few years and we can see as plain as day the pros and cons of how its use and how they have messed it up .

For me if they are going to carry on using it as they do now then 100% get rid of it

To keep it they should IMO go back to actually refereeing the game as if it wasn't there and we go with on field decisions

The only time it needs to be used is if the referee ASKS to have another look at a key decision that he is not clear on or when the lino indicates that he might want to take another look at it (the ref can always pull rank and say no). We don't need people in a room 100 miles away calling the shots .
Of course we stick with the goal line technology

Yes use technology NO don't spoil the fan experience ,they have to find a balance or get rid of it

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 16 May 24 9.11am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

Anyone that reads my posts and I dont blame anyone for skipping past them will know I have been a critic of this awful system and the way its been implemented from the get go .

We have now had it for a few years and we can see as plain as day the pros and cons of how its use and how they have messed it up .

For me if they are going to carry on using it as they do now then 100% get rid of it

To keep it they should IMO go back to actually refereeing the game as if it wasn't there and we go with on field decisions

The only time it needs to be used is if the referee ASKS to have another look at a key decision that he is not clear on or when the lino indicates that he might want to take another look at it (the ref can always pull rank and say no). We don't need people in a room 100 miles away calling the shots .
Of course we stick with the goal line technology

Yes use technology NO don't spoil the fan experience ,they have to find a balance or get rid of it

Spot on, I too have been a big critic.

It's great too see it's actually being looked at properly now with a real opportunity that it may go. I had assumed it was hear to stay forever.

What baffles me is that we need 14 clubs to vote against VAR for it go. Surely 11 is the majority?

The 5 second adrenaline buzz of celebrating a goal is one of the best feelings in life. This is the best thing in football (arguably sport) and it has been taken away from us.

The current poll results on the BBC are pretty telling:

Question: Should VAR be scrapped?

A) Absolutely, it has spoiled my enjoyment of football - 49%
B) Possibly, unless it can be improved - 27%
C) Not sure, there are elements I like - 8%
D) Definitely not, the game needs the technology to help - 18%

Total votes: 63,575

I think a poll should be carried out from season ticket holders across all PL clubs as these are the people who are effected most.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 16 May 24 9.12am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

It works in every other league except the premier league. It worked perfectly in the world cup and you will see it work perfectly in the euros this summer.

The issue is not VAR is the officials using it.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 May 24 10.13am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

It works in every other league except the premier league. It worked perfectly in the world cup and you will see it work perfectly in the euros this summer.

The issue is not VAR is the officials using it.

Maybe it's because the Premier League is the only one that's half WWE and half football. The "good" (insert rich here) teams have to beat the "bad" (insert smaller here) teams and ultimately prevail. Even if they cheated like smashing a chair over their opponent's head (insert bank rolled by a country here) then there are no consequences. The Leicester year was only to give us a little carrot of what "might" (insert impossible unless arranged beforehand here) be possible.
Every Man City game there's Haaland knocking in a penalty. The constant decisions against the smaller sides - including us - just brushed aside by everyone. Frankly, absolutely zero discussion about the Man City charges - no question marks there? Deducting Everton just enough to stay up? It's best not to think too much about it. Just watch the matches and enjoy the ride - because, frankly, it f***ing stinks.

 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 16 May 24 10.39am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Well done Wolves for leading the calls to scrap VAR. It won't happen though. Too much has been invested in it's operation to call it a day now.

I'm with Elpis and Goal Machine in being a critic on here in the past. I much prefer the instant, on field decision to the mind numbing delay while a remote arbitrator decides that the goal should be wiped out because the scorer was two inches offside.

To err is human and a referee can make mistakes, but using VAR doesn't rule that out. Mistakes are still made.

If it's not scrapped, it bloomin' well needs improving.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 May 24 10.50am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Well done Wolves for leading the calls to scrap VAR. It won't happen though. Too much has been invested in it's operation to call it a day now.

I'm with Elpis and Goal Machine in being a critic on here in the past. I much prefer the instant, on field decision to the mind numbing delay while a remote arbitrator decides that the goal should be wiped out because the scorer was two inches offside.

To err is human and a referee can make mistakes, but using VAR doesn't rule that out. Mistakes are still made.

If it's not scrapped, it bloomin' well needs improving.

When Liverpool score no check. When Palace score it's two minutes until it's rewound and every move is analysed to the nth degree while we sit there dumbfounded. Oh disallowed, two and a half minutes ago Hughes pushed a Liverpool player in the centre circle. About ten plays before the goal.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

When Liverpool score no check. When Palace score it's two minutes until it's rewound and every move is analysed to the nth degree while we sit there dumbfounded. Oh disallowed, two and a half minutes ago Hughes pushed a Liverpool player in the centre circle. About ten plays before the goal.

Ho,Ho! AS, you're on form today

 


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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Ho,Ho! AS, you're on form today

I think this one was quite factual if my memory is correct. I was at the match. Just VAR in a nutshell.

 


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I too have long been a critic of VAR. It's obivous to be that the implementation of the technology is not up to it. That's either down to the imbeciles using it, or simply the technology isn't good enough for the imbeciles to use it effectively.

I also think that where VAR has failed is buried in human nature. What VAR was sold as was to give clarity and a view that definitively clears up any misunderstanding or rule infringements missed or misinterpreted by the onfield referring team.
What it's actually done is provide more evidence to debate on. i.e. there is no one singular opinion on how the handball rule should be applied. one persons deliberate is another's accidental. One person sees a reckless challenge where another sees a minor misjudgment.
Even Offside, which should be Binary is applied badly and causing arguments.
Add into that the 'everyone's-a-pundit' psyche of your average twitter(X) user, and you are never going to get one solution where all decisions are agreed with.

Until VAR can be brought in with an application(using increased clarity of rule making and undeniable technology) that can achieve absolute flawlessness, these debates will continue and therefore a sole onfield Referring team is the better option.


 


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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I too have long been a critic of VAR. It's obivous to be that the implementation of the technology is not up to it. That's either down to the imbeciles using it, or simply the technology isn't good enough for the imbeciles to use it effectively.

I also think that where VAR has failed is buried in human nature. What VAR was sold as was to give clarity and a view that definitively clears up any misunderstanding or rule infringements missed or misinterpreted by the onfield referring team.
What it's actually done is provide more evidence to debate on. i.e. there is no one singular opinion on how the handball rule should be applied. one persons deliberate is another's accidental. One person sees a reckless challenge where another sees a minor misjudgment.
Even Offside, which should be Binary is applied badly and causing arguments.
Add into that the 'everyone's-a-pundit' psyche of your average twitter(X) user, and you are never going to get one solution where all decisions are agreed with.

Until VAR can be brought in with an application(using increased clarity of rule making and undeniable technology) that can achieve absolute flawlessness, these debates will continue and therefore a sole onfield Referring team is the better option.


Just get ChatGPT to do it. And make sure it knows who should win so it doesn't go off script.

 


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