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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Jan 24 9.00am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I made the decision to travel up from the south coast to witness this garbage.Total and utter dross and YET AGAIN our supporters have been short-changed at Selhurst Park.

My patience has run thin and I was venting my spleen at the game.
Rest assured,I was exceedingly snappy and cross-tempered but managed to refrain from the coarsening of public discourse.

Maybe we should all wave white handkerchiefs in the air in protest as they do in Spain.

Well I didn’t bother going to the Bournemouth game even though I have a season ticket. And it was the first home league game I had missed since 2015.

Going last night, travelling from the south coast like yourself, never entered my head.

If I’m not being entertained I can accept that if we are regularly winning matches, but we aren’t.

If it wasn’t for my family and friends making match days such an enjoyable social occasion I’d be sorely tempted to go and watch local non league football ( no VAR ! ).

 


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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 05 Jan 24 9.03am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Do you understand the rules? You cant challenge for the ball with studs first off the ground, end of.

LOL Nowhere in the Laws of the game (they are not rules) does it mention 'studs first off the ground'

What law 12 (and yes I do understand them) says is basically in the opinion of the referee is the challenge careless,reckless or using excessive force .
The referee thought none of the above , 'end of' as you would say

At a push ,and Im going against what I saw live here ,you might deem it careless which is a free kick without caution.

Even the next level up ,reckless would be a free kick and a yellow card offence

To be sent off you are saying it was a reckless challenge that used excessive force and endangered the opponent. If thats your view fair enough , its not mine .

My main gripe however is not that someone got sent off but that VAR sent them off with their interpretation of the incident . VAR is not there (or shouldn't be ) to re -referee the game , its there to clarify fact .


 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 05 Jan 24 9.03am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

Another dire instalment of Royball. No intent and again the attack had all the penetration of a rubber drill.
Pleased to see Franca given the chance to start but why maroon him out on the touchline and why not try swapping him with Eze and play him for a while, nearer the middle ?
Naturally, he was one of the tired and samey substitutions by numbers again
Nothing changes though to be fair Roy was a little animated tonight and less like someone waiting for a bus. He will be delighted with the clean sheet and another point.
Oh hang on.....

Agree 100% - a few hours of my life that I will not get back.
We support our club through thick and thin but this dreadful game between two poor teams was a test of support. .
We looked out of it after 30 mins but at least started to show some intent after that.
Our midfield is toothless, Clyne (love him) cannot pass wind, Eze has moments of genius but is generally poor and not much good to a struggling team.
Our defence on the whole is excellent as is Henderson - he is better than Pickford at least.
Mateta looks to be getting better and is a handful and Franca needs a run of games because he will be excellent.
Please let us get at least a good midfield General in over the next few weeks.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 05 Jan 24 9.06am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Spot on.
Hodgson doesn't coach forward play. The obsession with defensive shape overrides all other considerations, and it shows.
We are an incredibly dull side, the team reflects the manager and his football philosophy. There's absolutely nothing to get enthused about, only frustration. A new manager can't come soon enough.

This with knobs on!

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jan 24 9.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Well I didn’t bother going to the Bournemouth game even though I have a season ticket. And it was the first home league game I had missed since 2015.

Going last night, travelling from the south coast like yourself, never entered my head.

If I’m not being entertained I can accept that if we are regularly winning matches, but we aren’t.

If it wasn’t for my family and friends making match days such an enjoyable social occasion I’d be sorely tempted to go and watch local non league football ( no VAR ! ).

I must have taken leave of my senses which is quite normal these days.

Seared in my memory are those days in the lower divisions when we actually emerged victorious at Selhurst Park and supporters left the ground feeling chipper even when all the points were not attained.At present, game upon game, we leave the ground in fits of despair wearing faces like thunderclaps voices growling with hot-boil bile.
Supporters pay hard-earned money to witness performances as dull as dishwater.

I am seriously considering sparing myself the journey to Selhurst Park for the rest of the season.

Edited by Willo (05 Jan 2024 9.16am)

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 05 Jan 24 9.15am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

LOL Nowhere in the Laws of the game (they are not rules) does it mention 'studs first off the ground'

What law 12 (and yes I do understand them) says is basically in the opinion of the referee is the challenge careless,reckless or using excessive force .
The referee thought none of the above , 'end of' as you would say

At a push ,and Im going against what I saw live here ,you might deem it careless which is a free kick without caution.

Even the next level up ,reckless would be a free kick and a yellow card offence

To be sent off you are saying it was a reckless challenge that used excessive force and endangered the opponent. If thats your view fair enough , its not mine .

My main gripe however is not that someone got sent off but that VAR sent them off with their interpretation of the incident . VAR is not there (or shouldn't be ) to re -referee the game , its there to clarify fact .


I watched the VAR same as everyone else. We went through the various angles in slow-mo. Nope, not a foul. Nope, nope, nope nope... and then, hang on, the very last angle - OFF YOU GO!! Absolutely no doubt that was a reckless and dangerous move (albeit unintended) that could have broken a leg.

The absence of intent / malice should mitigate the punishment not the sending off.

Dull game btw. 2 good-ish sides cancelled each other out.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 05 Jan 24 9.17am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

This with knobs on!

But the corollary being we stay up with relatively limited resources.

A debate that will, no doubt, continue to rage.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jan 24 9.24am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

But the corollary being we stay up with relatively limited resources.

A debate that will, no doubt, continue to rage.

I have been in conversation with supporters who really would not be in a hissy-fit if we got relegated, with the view that we might actually win a few more games at Selhurst Park, we might score more goals and be actually entertained.
They also opined that the result of relegation would mean more chances for those in the Academy.
Current performances have sucked the optimism and enthusiasm out of these supporters.

Edited by Willo (05 Jan 2024 9.27am)

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 05 Jan 24 9.31am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

a Few Thoughts on last nights game...
As people have said on here, a game with 2 teams looking to stay solid and difficult To break down. Thought Everton outplayed us for large parts - their movement and passing in the final 3rd put us to shame. On the few occasions we put a move together, it was let down by a misplaced pass or bad decision. i.e Not doubting Lermas right to shoot, but Franca was in acres of space just to the left of him. an easy pass for a much better chance.

Franca looks promising, he was the only One who showed any inclination to pass forward. sometimes it didn't work but least hes trying. For his first start it was a good one. I would have liked to have seen him in Eze's position. However, his defending/defensive positioning needs work. Often just taking up positions rather than putting pressure on the ball allowing himself To be passed by easily.
Ahamada was dissapointing.
Ozoh is a beast. deserves a lot more gametime.
Eze, when he wasn't man marked was double marked.
Mateta looks so much better than Edouard ever did as a CF. If only he could put the ball in the net occasionally.

And it was never a Red. Studs up, yes, Reckless no. Yellow for me.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View Norbury Old Git's Profile Norbury Old Git Flag London 05 Jan 24 9.34am Send a Private Message to Norbury Old Git Add Norbury Old Git as a friend

To sum it up in one word….’ROYBALL’.

My feelings go out to the hundreds of young children who attended for the first time last night with their families and schools in pouring rain. Many were too young to understand that this doesn’t happen every week and will be put off football or will want to support Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City etc.

Happy New Year everyone (Roy excluded unless he leaves soon).

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 05 Jan 24 9.35am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by Dan Theolmesdaleroad


Cheers for sharing your insights.

I've just seen the incident in a video on Twitter and honestly think a red card was the right decision. I don't suppose it was malicious at all, but unfortunately for the EFC player I don't think that's any defence. If it had gone unpunished I would've wondered what the VAR was looking at, and if it had been a Palace player I don't think I'd have felt any differently.

The disappointing thing though was that, whether he should've gone or not, we failed to take advantage of having the extra man. I feel like the chance for winning the tie has now gone and don't really fancy our chances in the replay.

On the plus side, it sounded like Richards had an excellent game and Ahamada was involved quite a bit when he came on as well. I'd be happy to see Ahamada be given more game time.

I must have been at a different game. I thought Ahamada did absolutely nothing and looked so weak on and off the ball. I’ve yet to be convinced in his short appearances that he offers anything? Perhaps a different manager will get something out of him?
But I do agree that Richard’s had another good game and is looking like a great defensive midfield player.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 05 Jan 24 9.36am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Brasilian Eagle

By the letter of the law the challenge was over the top studs showing and yes could have broke Clyne's leg. Therefore, VAR (not the ref) gave a red card.

However, anyone who has played the game would see it was a strikers challenge that was not intended to be malicious and whilst did catch Clyne, barely glanced his leg.

If the ref had done his job properly he should have given Calvert-Lewin a yellow card and we could all have gone back to sleep.

I respectfully disagree, I hope and hope so sincerely that no player going in to a tackle intends to hurt or maim a fellow player. However having said that, dangerous play is just that, it matters not that it was a glancing blow what matters is that it had the potential to seriously injure a fellow player and therefore it was reckless dangerous play and the red card was very much the right decision. As for the pundits who think otherwise, then that is a good reason for not involving them in any future VAR as some seem to want and suggest.It was quite interesting to listen to Mr. Dykes after the game when of course he thought it was the wrong decision, on the other hand, had the tackle been on his player, I can just see him on the touchline jumping up and down asking for a red card. No one likes to see red cards in a game but players safety must always be the first priority of the officials, so well done VAR!

 

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