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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 24 1.52pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Why didn't he get a job at the Morning Star or the Guardian, or the BBC?

He was headhunted from the Express where he used to work by a senior manager who also shifted. He had worked at the Express for many years, starting when it was a respectable broadsheet and not the tabloid rag it is today.

He is a professional, looking after his family’s future, so money talked. He was a sub editor, rewriting copy so it fitted the space available and was in the style of the paper. That’s done by professionals whose personal opinions are irrelevant.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He was headhunted from the Express where he used to work by a senior manager who also shifted. He had worked at the Express for many years, starting when it was a respectable broadsheet and not the tabloid rag it is today.

He is a professional, looking after his family’s future, so money talked. He was a sub editor, rewriting copy so it fitted the space available and was in the style of the paper. That’s done by professionals whose personal opinions are irrelevant.

So to get away from a tabloid rag he went to work for the Daily Mail?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It clearly isn't. There has to be bias at every stage of journalism. What comes from the top is not necessarily what we see.

Murdoch owns SKY. There can't be a more 'progressive' network.
His influence is non existent.
At the BBC, it is little different in practice. The only difference is that The BBC has the pretence of a public duty to uphold neutrality, which is clearly impossible in the real world.

Why? It’s simply untrue. There were several products I was involved in the successful promotion of that I personally disliked. They weren’t aimed at me though. That didn’t mean I was unable to do my job. I was a professional. So are the journalists.

The position is indeed set at the top and the journalists must follow it. If they don’t they won’t last long.

I regret to say that all that is being proved here is that bias does indeed exist, but only in the minds of those who continue to think the BBC shows any.

Murdoch no longer owns Sky. It was sold to Comcast. His influence in the media remains strong though as he owns both the Sun and the Times and in the USA he continues to own, and control, Fox.

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So to get away from a tabloid rag he went to work for the Daily Mail?

I remember him being very conflicted when he was approached and offered a big package. I don’t think he is very fond of Lord Rothersmere! There is no doubt he was very good at his job. Several memorable headlines were his work.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He was headhunted from the Express where he used to work by a senior manager who also shifted. He had worked at the Express for many years, starting when it was a respectable broadsheet and not the tabloid rag it is today.

He is a professional, looking after his family’s future, so money talked. He was a sub editor, rewriting copy so it fitted the space available and was in the style of the paper. That’s done by professionals whose personal opinions are irrelevant.

Family! That's a bit bourgeois isn't it. How does he expect the Revolution to come about if Comrades have those sorts of attitudes? You wouldn't have caught Fidel Castro working for the Correa Diario.

Edited by georgenorman (21 Apr 2024 3.00pm)

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why? It’s simply untrue. There were several products I was involved in the successful promotion of that I personally disliked. They weren’t aimed at me though. That didn’t mean I was unable to do my job. I was a professional. So are the journalists.

The position is indeed set at the top and the journalists must follow it. If they don’t they won’t last long.

I regret to say that all that is being proved here is that bias does indeed exist, but only in the minds of those who continue to think the BBC shows any.

Murdoch no longer owns Sky. It was sold to Comcast. His influence in the media remains strong though as he owns both the Sun and the Times and in the USA he continues to own, and control, Fox.

Unconscious bias is inevitable, but I suspect that some of the bias at the BBC is very conscious.

You seem to be under the impression that you don't have any bias, which is obviously, to everybody else at least, ridiculous.

We all have bias, and in a sense it makes the idea of neutrality an irrelevance, since one person's so called neutrality is different to another's.
The BBC's idea of neutrality looks decidedly left leaning and woke to many.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Why do you engage with that generic tosh?

I know it's pretty pointless, but it is amusing to read the replies as they become more and more tenuous.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Family! That's a bit bourgeois isn't it. How does he expect the Revolution to come about if Comrades have those sorts of attitudes? You wouldn't have caught Fidel Castro working for the Correa Diario.

Edited by georgenorman (21 Apr 2024 3.00pm)

Why on earth do people assume that just because someone believes that society ought to be organised with a degree of social responsibility that they are automatically rabid Marxists? My friend is not a communist. He is much more of a Social Democrat than anything else.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth do people assume that just because someone believes that society ought to be organised with a degree of social responsibility that they are automatically rabid Marxists? My friend is not a communist. He is much more of a Social Democrat than anything else.

For the same reason anyone who's vaguely conservative is called an extreme right winger.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth do people assume that just because someone believes that society ought to be organised with a degree of social responsibility that they are automatically rabid Marxists? My friend is not a communist. He is much more of a Social Democrat than anything else.

I'm not assuming anything, you described him as "quite far left in his personal politics", are you saying that Social Democrats are 'far left'? What is 'social responsibility' by the way?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Unconscious bias is inevitable, but I suspect that some of the bias at the BBC is very conscious.

You seem to be under the impression that you don't have any bias, which is obviously, to everybody else at least, ridiculous.

We all have bias, and in a sense it makes the idea of neutrality an irrelevance, since one person's so called neutrality is different to another's.
The BBC's idea of neutrality looks decidedly left leaning and woke to many.

Of course we all have biases, or better put, view points, which impact how we think about things. I am instinctively biased against extreme thinking from the left or the right. My instinct is to always try to steer a middle course, to find compromise so that people can work together for the common good.

However there is an enormous difference between what anyone personally thinks and what their job requires of them. Which is especially true of journalists, who need to leave their personal views at home and do what their employer asks them to do. If they were blogging in their own name you can expect the biases. If you read the Mail or watch the BBC you can expect the party line.

It’s a litmus test for a journalist. If they fail it then their contract tends to expire. That’s not to say that papers like the Mail don’t employ leader writers with strong views that set the tone for the paper, which must, in turn, reflect the direction desired by its owner. Not so the BBC where it’s the charter impartiality requirements which are paramount. Professional journalists whose ethics and integrity command they are truth seekers, not politicians, first and foremost, have no difficulty in squaring that circle.

 


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Originally posted by georgenorman

I'm not assuming anything, you described him as "quite far left in his personal politics", are you saying that Social Democrats are 'far left'? What is 'social responsibility' by the way?

Quite far left when compared to most views found here. He was certainly more sympathetic to people like Wilson and even Benn, than I was and was very much in tune with “ New Labour”. I have always been centre right, whilst he was more centre left.

 


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